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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg be back with gene

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and Chris on the para casts we've got

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some really exciting stuff to talk about

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today but we're going to talk about

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something now that it's just as exciting

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and that is that our own Christopher

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O'Brien was one of the featured speakers

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at this past weeks paradigm symposium in

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Minnesota can you tell us about it

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sounds fascinating

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you know it was good Micah Hanks of

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course and Scotty Roberts have both been

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guests on the show and this is the

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second year they put on this particular

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conference it was in a beautiful place

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in st. Paul it was the old Union Station

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railroad terminal and the conference was

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in the in the big cavernous hall the

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main hall of the former I guess train

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station had these big tall you know 60

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foot ceilings and so it sounded rather

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booming in there but they did have a

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good sound system they did a complete

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you know three camera video shoot and

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the speakers were all interesting I

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actually attended a few of the lectures

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unlike I I do at other conferences

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normally at other conferences I'm pretty

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up to speed on what people are going to

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be presenting on so I don't often find

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myself sitting in those hard chairs but

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they had nice soft cushy chairs for

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everybody in and the the speaker lineup

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was very interesting I I have never

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heard Robert Bauval and Robert Schoch

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speak yeah John Wharton from the show

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Destination Truth was there of course

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today's guest Nick Redfern was there

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really was fascinated by his talk and

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we'll get into what he presented on

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which is material from his new book for

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nobody's eyes only which I highly

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recommend I've read it since receiving

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it and I had a chance to talk a bit with

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Nick about it and we'll we'll speak with

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him obviously today about that book

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there's no truth to the rumor by the way

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that Sheena Easton is going to do a song

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called for Anne

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nobody's eyes only I don't believe so

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that's such an in-joke of course she

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sang the theme for you or for your eyes

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only the James Bond movie one of the

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Roger Moore movies which wasn't very

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good

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no it wasn't I I think I think Nick

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would probably want the Ramones to do it

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for nobody's eyes only yeah like I know

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I really like that title well it is a

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good title and it's a good book and

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we'll find out more about it later um I

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also met a number of broadcasters fellow

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broadcasters who who were there we

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participated in a special broadcasters

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panel which I think some people found

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interesting you know basically these

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these events are a chance for

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like-minded investigator researcher

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types to get together and compare notes

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and let their hair down a little bit and

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have some fun it was quite a I think a

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good turnout and my particular talk was

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I think particularly well received I

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felt a little bit like a fish out of

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water I was you know amongst all these

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guys talking about

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revisionist archaeology and you know the

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pyramids in Luxor and all these cool

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digs and stuff and so getting up there

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and discussing the unexplained livestock

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death phenomenon I thought would be a

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little bit a little bit strange for

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people but I was amazed at at the

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feedback and gratified to him I'd add

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the new book is generating quite a bit

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of interest and if the presentation is

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any indication of how the books gonna be

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received I'm looking forward to it

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because I had a number of people say

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that they thought my talking I was my

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talk was their favorite talk and it

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totally changed her their perspective on

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on these unexplained livestock deaths

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and and I felt like I really I did a cop

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or something there by going through some

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of the highlights of my research you

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know it is a huge volumous book it's

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gonna be about three and a thousand

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words gene I I did a word count on the

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chapters and uh I don't know it's

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getting to the point where I'm much

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sure if the public is gonna want to ship

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the thing anyway it was all good and you

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know we'll hear more about it from Nick

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it was my first opportunity to meet the

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prolific Nick Redfern and we actually

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shared a room during the conference or

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symposium to help Mike and Scottie save

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some dough so we we shared a room and

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you know it's like I've known Nick for

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years but I've never actually met him

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and so you know I felt like I was kind

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of reuniting with a little old long-lost

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old friend and in a way that must have

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been a lot of fun you didn't get blasted

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at night did you oh I wouldn't say

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blasted no but I had some fun down in

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the the best western bar there a few

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nights long with everybody else

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quite a number of people would course

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hang out afterwards and I met some

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scientists who were there I had dinner

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with a guy who claimed he was an arch

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skeptic and even started a critical

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thinking group I think her a skeptics

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group in and he slowly over the years

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being drawn back towards the middle and

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so he and his wife took me on to dinner

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he's a pair of cast listener that's one

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of the reasons why he's become much more

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open-minded about the subjects we cover

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here you know what we're making an

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impression on these people a few quick

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questions before we end this segment did

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you get a sense to estimate how many

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people actually showed up um you know

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I'm gonna have to talk with Scottie and

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Mike about that it's kind of rough

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because I'm sure there were a number of

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people had just attended for the day

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let's say locals on the chairs looked

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3/4 full possibly a little more so I'd

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say at any one given time they're at

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least 200 maybe 225 people there I'm

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sure there was like I said some people

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that did revolve through some of the

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lectures that does seem to be better

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attended than others so it you know

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until I really get a head count and the

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number from Scottie and Mike I really

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can't answer that accurately did you get

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a chance to talk with him about our

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tentative plans to put on a conference

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you know I I didn't really bring it up

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the two of them were extremely busy

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they're running around

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you know taking care of things putting

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out fires doing all the things that you

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know goes into organizing a an event

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like this so I did mention that we were

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thinking about it and that I want to

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talk to them later about it and get some

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pointers I do know last year went a kind

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of rough for you know because to start

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these things out and to do your first

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one you know there's invariably gonna be

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problems but I think it I think it

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appeared to run a lot smoother they had

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a new venue this year and it did appear

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to run a bit smoother based on what I

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heard from last year so that was all

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good but yeah we'll have to get Micah

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back on at some point and pick his brain

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and and get some ideas you know to

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devote you know his experience to making

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ours less problematic if we do decide to

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go ahead with the conference which I'd

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like I'd like to do we're still

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considering locations actually

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considering Phoenix and Las Vegas maybe

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Los Angeles there's a lot more to say

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just wanted to mention something before

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we hear from Nick Redfern and that is

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one of our listeners pointed me to a

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site where supposedly you can get

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genuine alien technology that you can

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buy now and I'm not sure what this all

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means I'm looking at the site it doesn't

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make a lot of sense but it talks about

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motion virtual space age time machine

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journey to the Year 6000 ad that sounds

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like fun like to go to the Year 6,000

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it's only $18,000 folks well that's

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that's a deal well I think of it this

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way if 100 people buy it

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that's $1,800,000 of course that will

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pay the legal fees when they arrest me

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and put me in jail for it I don't know

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whether that's what they're trying to do

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whether it's meant as a joke whether

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it's serious I don't know I mean it's

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very easy to put up a website unless

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it's one that is used to go to the

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healthcare exchanges in the u.s. that's

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not so difficult I understand there's a

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joke that someone tells that they hired

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a lot of Nigerians for that purpose yeah

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but I just think that they could have

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hired web coders from college

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and done better but that's another story

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and this is the wrong show in which to

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bring it up of course that's a huge

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political question which I'm not going

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to get into at this particular point in

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time fact is when they build those

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government websites they use this range

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of contractors have done before whether

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or not they did it right or not is

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another issue entirely isn't it the book

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we're going to talk about is for

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nobody's eyes only and I resist trying

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to sing that to the tune of for your

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eyes only

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subtitles missing government files and

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hidden archives that document the truth

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behind the most enduring conspiracy

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theories I can't wait for Nick Redfern

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gene when you check out have you ever

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felt like the United States government

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knows way too much about your financial

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affairs I continue to hear stories about

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property seizures frozen bank accounts

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confiscation of stocks and bonds it

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makes me wonder if the US citizen will

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ever again have the right to life

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liberty and the pursuit of happiness

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unfortunately with the drug and money

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laundering Act the IRS Revenue Ruling

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sixty forty five of 1984 and

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trading with the enemy Act in Franklin D

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Roosevelt executive order of 1933 some

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precious metal holdings are subject to

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government intervention for this reason

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Midas Resources has prepared a report

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exploiting the boundaries of trading

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precious metals privately whether if you

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have any intention of trading with Midas

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Nick Redfern recovering from being Chris

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O'Brien's roommate at the paradigm

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symposium so who walked down on whom

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there well he was one of those

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situations where I think to keep costs

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down it was inevitable that everybody

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was roaming up and whatever so we did

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the best we could under the

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circumstances I guess he was kind of

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tough but you know he's got to do what

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you got to do yeah first they gave us a

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room with just a king-size bed and a

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couch and uh in that that just wasn't

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that wasn't happening so I went down and

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arranged this switch to two queen beds

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but Nick had to leave actually early

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Sunday morning for a taping with

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Prometheus and a minute Ament the

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production company that does ancient

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aliens Nick how'd that go I was pretty

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good things where it's like all

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conferences I guess everybody's running

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around doing stuff and before you know

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it it's all over it's all good you know

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how he goes how'd you tape and go with

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uh with Brian and the ancient alien guys

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oh it's pretty good yeah we just sort of

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covered ancient alien stuff as per usual

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I guess he wouldn't be with the ancient

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aliens if we did anything other than

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sort of cover that area yeah I like the

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show and it's one of these that I think

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it's only six series now something

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and yeah it's a suit season there's no

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table you know amazing they keep coming

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up with new scenarios for ancient aliens

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but how do they do well they pick my

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brain for three show show ideas this

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year so I had a tree tree right called

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me up early on and said hey you know it

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was struggling here for new new angles

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you got any ideas and I gave her a list

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of things including the unexplained

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livestock death phenomenon and how it

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ties India to UFOs there are a number of

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UFO reports that are quite compelling I

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mean you can actually tie that in with

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the ancient stuff about sort of a

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ancient animal sacrifice yeah exactly

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yeah that too well Nick you have a new

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book out that you gave a presentation

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about fascinating presentation I might

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add and and this book is really

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interesting you just have a way of

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coming up with cool angles on how to

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approach the subject matter this

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particular book kind of explains how the

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very lack of documents let's say you do

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an FOI a request and the documents

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aren't there you come up with a pretty

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interesting formula to figure out the

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meaning of behind some of these apparent

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disappearances of documents it should be

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there well actually know that that book

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wasn't actually my idea and what

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happened was I wrote an article about

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being missing files from the Roswell

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case and what happened was that the

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publisher of new page books Michael PI

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liked the article and said you know hey

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is there enough material where you could

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do sort of a bunch of chapters that

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would all cover missing files in

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relation to various ufo-related

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conspiracies and other conspiracies

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thought about it looking to it and said

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well yeah there is and he said well you

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know do you want to make that the next

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book so but actually often happens quite

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often with no page that I I'm not the

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person who comes up with the idea I'm

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simply contracted by the publisher to

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write a book in that pail for example

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although other ten books I think I've

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done we know page I think only five I'd

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come up with the idea for example keep

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out the world weirdest places few others

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I forget which ones now and the new one

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they were all ideas that no

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page one in the book pub and the NASA

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conspiracies at with you the one they

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were all books that new page wanted

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books publishing on and so they said

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would you be interested in being the

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person to write them so sometimes you

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know it worked that way sometimes it's

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the other way where I'll pitch an idea

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to them well my impression I've had a

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couple of contacts with Michael pie is

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he's a very aggressive old-fashioned

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publisher

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he's not just a corporate kind of guy he

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gets right down and dirty into the

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process of finding a good book or taking

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an idea and finding the author for it

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yeah I mean Michael for me I mean I love

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working with no page because they're

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very hands-on with the author they

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follow the whole process from start to

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finish and they don't just they're not

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just in the market of put now he saw

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that you know they want to be able to

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put something that's new and that puts a

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fresh new angle on something I mean you

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know for every same book I've written

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for that I've maybe sent in three or

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four synopses which which don't get

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picked up and you know and that's how

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the publishing world works that

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sometimes a publisher will like an idea

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sometimes they won't sometimes they will

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like you but then they feel that you

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know it's not necessarily something for

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them and that that's all fine that the

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publishing industry words but I like

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working with them because you write they

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are sort of a hands-on enthusiastic

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company they are just putting out every

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title Under the Sun

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the sake of it you know they think about

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it carefully as to as to what's going to

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be a good book versus what isn't now I'm

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going to ask you one thing about the

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title which may be a self-contradictory

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but maybe you'll explain to this the

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subtitle is missing government files and

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hidden archives that document the truth

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behind the most enduring conspiracy

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theories but the files are missing how

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do you know what they contain well think

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about documenting the conspiracies is in

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terms of confirming the conspiracy

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that's to say you know if we look into a

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particular conspiracy for me at least

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and this is one of the reasons why I

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agree to write the book there are two

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ways of confirming Aspira see no

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conspiracy one is by finding information

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and confirming it that way or witness

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demony and the other way is when you go

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looking it's not so much you don't find

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anything it's that you prove that things

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have been removed deleted or shredded

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and that for me is a way of proving not

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proving but confirming a conspiracy

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that's to say if you don't find anything

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at all you could say well there's no

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conspiracy no cover-up at all but if you

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find nothing but you prove it's being

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destroyed that's a very different thing

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and that's kind of the theme that I took

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with the book was to prove a conspiracy

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by actively demonstrating to the reader

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but things were done to the you know the

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course of history as it related to that

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particular project or whatever what do

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you think is the most important or

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significant mystery that we're talking

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about here Kennedy assassination Roswell

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what well I mean I guess it really sort

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of depends on people's own personal

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perspective on what interests them but

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for me I would say to Roswell you know

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the Roswell story beyond any shadow of a

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doubt is the one that even outside of

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sort of our community everybody knows

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about you know everybody in the general

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public has heard of Roswell even if

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they're not fully sure of the

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complexities and what I found

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significant during the research was this

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particular story about how all of the

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outgoing messages from the Roswell Army

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Air Force Base at the time as it was

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from 45 to 49 literally just vanished I

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mean when I say gone I mean they are

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gone they're not acknowledged as being

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withheld or unreleasable or oh you can't

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see them they just cannot be found

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anywhere and more importantly no

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surrounding documentation has ever been

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found along the lines of you know please

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transfer these files to this location or

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please shred these files nothing like

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that at all there's not even a paper

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trail to say what happened to the entire

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four years worth of files and 45 to 49

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which in theory could offer some deep

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insight into what happened I mean 47

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when Roswell occurred he's right in the

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middle of that period you know whatever

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those messages contained even the Air

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Force when he did it study and the

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General Accounting Office as it was

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called at a time they acknowledge that

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they went looking

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for these files and every door they went

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knocking on nobody add them nobody could

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find them and he wasn't a case of people

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said go away right now next someone's

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knocking on our door we have to answer

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it so let's take a break

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we've got Nick Redfern joining Jeanne

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638
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on the power cast and this session is

639
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mostly we'll get to other subjects

640
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mostly to talk about his new book four

641
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new page books called for nobody's eyes

642
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only

643
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and right now you're inferring by all

644
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this missing data that there's a lot of

645
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stuff there about Roswell let the

646
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government peace on the surface they do

647
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not have but maybe they do have it but

648
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it's it's follow off the private

649
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industry maybe or what well yeah I mean

650
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this is a good point the problem with

651
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Roswell is not so much that we know

652
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something happened or that we have a

653
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tremendous amount of witness testimony

654
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from a lot of the old guys that served

655
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:54,500
at the base in 47 and the very few are

656
00:27:59,740 --> 00:27:56,929
still left alive the problem is we have

657
00:28:01,240 --> 00:27:59,750
nothing at all to document what happened

658
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:01,250
and that's the big issue that I point

659
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out in the book that regardless of what

660
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happened on the foster ranch in New

661
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Mexico in the summer of 47 the fact is

662
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from all the testimony there was a

663
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tremendous attempt an unsuccessful

664
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attempt to recover all this sort of

665
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weird wreckage that was found on the

666
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ranch and even stories about bodies or

667
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body parts and wrecked craft things like

668
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that so in other words they should

669
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somewhere be a tremendous paper trail

670
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regardless of what happened the problem

671
00:28:35,260 --> 00:28:31,910
is all we have is like one or two pages

672
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:35,270
of FBI documents that talk about the

673
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press release and what the military

674
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suppose would be gonna be doing but that

675
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was it there's nothing else at all now

676
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in 1993 we know this because in 1993 New

677
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Mexico congressman Steven Schiff at the

678
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time got interested in the story and

679
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went knocking on the door the Air Force

680
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to ask what happened and you know we're

681
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crept procedures followed

682
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we got regardless would actually happen

683
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Roswell and the Air Force basically

684
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referred him to the National Archives

685
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and where the airport's UFO FILES were

686
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held she wasn't pleased with that and

687
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went knocking on the door of the

688
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Pentagon and who again referred him to

689
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the National Archives and she thought to

690
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himself said he felt he was being given

691
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a runaround so he then approached was

692
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today called the Government

693
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Accountability Office but there must

694
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called the General Accounting Office and

695
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asked them to investigate be the case

696
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and determine if proper procedures were

697
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followed and what paperwork might be

698
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available

699
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,590
the GAO never really done anything like

700
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this before we're like a UFO case but

701
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they were up for the task and

702
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investigated it they went knocking on

703
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everybody's door other than a couple of

704
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documents one-page documents have been

705
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in the public domain for years through

706
00:29:51,630 --> 00:29:49,570
the Freedom of Information Act nothing

707
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:51,640
at all surfaced when he was during this

708
00:29:57,210 --> 00:29:54,010
process with the GAO that this

709
00:29:59,910 --> 00:29:57,220
intriguing revelation was was made that

710
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all of the outgoing files records from

711
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Roswell from 45 to 49 were gone and more

712
00:30:08,220 --> 00:30:05,740
importantly the GAO informed shift that

713
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despite all their power and

714
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investigative abilities even they

715
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couldn't figure out who had given the

716
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order to remove the files or destroy

717
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them because there was no surrounding

718
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:20,050
paperwork so that in itself for me at

719
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,410
least is a suggestion that at some point

720
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when we don't know but at some point

721
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:28,870
somebody clearly removed almost like

722
00:30:34,740 --> 00:30:31,930
vacuumed all the material and my guess

723
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:34,750
is that it probably all remains in one

724
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:37,090
just consolidated location you know far

725
00:30:42,030 --> 00:30:39,130
away from pretty much any prying eyes

726
00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:42,040
including the GAO now I mentioned this

727
00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:44,800
earlier I just said as an offhand

728
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comment but it's not something that I

729
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guess we could ignore and that is one

730
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way to get rid of these documents is to

731
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give them to someone in private industry

732
00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:57,700
so therefore there's no paper trail as

733
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to where it might have gone it could be

734
00:31:02,910 --> 00:31:00,970
handling verbally there's plausible

735
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:02,920
deniability here what do you think well

736
00:31:06,690 --> 00:31:04,870
I mean it could be because obviously you

737
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:06,700
know military agencies do work closely

738
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:08,860
with private industries in weapons

739
00:31:12,810 --> 00:31:10,810
development things like that and the

740
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:12,820
important thing is the freedom of

741
00:31:16,590 --> 00:31:13,510
information

742
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doesn't cover private industry you can

743
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:19,420
only use that you know to secure

744
00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:22,450
government documents you cannot use it

745
00:31:26,490 --> 00:31:24,880
to secure documents from private

746
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corporations you know you have to go

747
00:31:31,260 --> 00:31:28,360
through sort of legal channels to do

748
00:31:33,690 --> 00:31:31,270
that my personal opinion is that the

749
00:31:35,250 --> 00:31:33,700
Roswell case is probably it probably

750
00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:35,260
falls under the auspices of what are

751
00:31:38,970 --> 00:31:37,510
known as sa P's or special access

752
00:31:41,850 --> 00:31:38,980
program that the official terminology

753
00:31:43,500 --> 00:31:41,860
for them where you know person a and

754
00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:43,510
person B can both have a top secret

755
00:31:49,710 --> 00:31:46,840
clearance but only person B has access

756
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:49,720
to that specific special access program

757
00:31:53,910 --> 00:31:52,240
because he or she is working on it and

758
00:31:56,340 --> 00:31:53,920
despite the fact that other people at

759
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:56,350
the same secrecy level they don't know

760
00:32:01,140 --> 00:31:58,930
anything about it and the reason why I

761
00:32:04,830 --> 00:32:01,150
think Roswell is probably contained

762
00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:04,840
within one of these s ApS is because if

763
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:07,270
everybody in his brother in the Pentagon

764
00:32:10,530 --> 00:32:08,260
or the military or the intelligence

765
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:10,540
community knew about it we would be

766
00:32:15,570 --> 00:32:13,210
getting far more leaks about Roswell if

767
00:32:17,460 --> 00:32:15,580
you think about it most of the testimony

768
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:17,470
we have from people who've spoken out

769
00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:20,830
about Roswell at the old guys from 47 if

770
00:32:25,290 --> 00:32:23,110
you actually think about it and look at

771
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:25,300
the number man of testimony on Roswell

772
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:27,370
from so the 60s or the 70s

773
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:28,720
in other words of people had knowledge

774
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:31,090
of it been or the eighties it's actually

775
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:34,240
very small almost minut all the

776
00:32:37,710 --> 00:32:35,980
testimony comes from authorities so in

777
00:32:40,530 --> 00:32:37,720
other words this leads me to believe

778
00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:40,540
that way back when all of this material

779
00:32:44,850 --> 00:32:43,000
and the evidence and the documents was

780
00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:44,860
probably consolidated into one location

781
00:32:50,430 --> 00:32:48,940
and I actually think the reason why we

782
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:50,440
don't know the truth and we don't have

783
00:32:54,990 --> 00:32:52,930
the fault is because the project itself

784
00:32:57,810 --> 00:32:55,000
may actually be very small you know we

785
00:33:00,300 --> 00:32:57,820
hear all these stories about area 51 and

786
00:33:02,070 --> 00:33:00,310
back-engineering and whatever but what

787
00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:02,080
if that's actually arose what if all

788
00:33:06,330 --> 00:33:04,120
they've really got is a few bodies you

789
00:33:07,890 --> 00:33:06,340
know a pile of wreckage and they've

790
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,900
really made much headway with it and

791
00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:09,940
it's just stored away that would

792
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:12,340
actually be a reasonable explanation in

793
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:14,650
my opinion as to why we don't have the

794
00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:16,330
truth we don't have the documents

795
00:33:19,050 --> 00:33:18,340
because there's actually not that much

796
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:19,060
being hidden

797
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:21,460
I'm not convinced that all these stories

798
00:33:26,220 --> 00:33:23,890
about back-engineering super-secret

799
00:33:27,389 --> 00:33:26,230
gigantic projects are true I think he

800
00:33:28,739 --> 00:33:27,399
could be the exact opposite

801
00:33:30,810 --> 00:33:28,749
that they scratching their heads and

802
00:33:32,729 --> 00:33:30,820
they've just stored it away kind of like

803
00:33:34,739 --> 00:33:32,739
the final scenes in Raiders of the Lost

804
00:33:37,259 --> 00:33:34,749
Ark almost and maybe they pull it out

805
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:37,269
every few years for the next group of

806
00:33:41,399 --> 00:33:39,460
scientists to take a look at but you

807
00:33:43,889 --> 00:33:41,409
know that perhaps that might explain why

808
00:33:46,499 --> 00:33:43,899
it's so successfully hidden so it comes

809
00:33:49,289 --> 00:33:46,509
down to this here and that is that there

810
00:33:51,389 --> 00:33:49,299
could be number one in a warehouse 13 or

811
00:33:52,919 --> 00:33:51,399
a place where they just stuff things

812
00:33:54,749 --> 00:33:52,929
they can't explain this way it's

813
00:33:57,299 --> 00:33:54,759
plausible deniability out of sight out

814
00:33:59,519 --> 00:33:57,309
of mind we know nothing about it we have

815
00:34:01,529 --> 00:33:59,529
no secret evidence so all these stories

816
00:34:04,139 --> 00:34:01,539
where people might have allegedly

817
00:34:05,789 --> 00:34:04,149
reverse engineered Roswell records and

818
00:34:07,859 --> 00:34:05,799
we think about the notorious philip

819
00:34:10,649 --> 00:34:07,869
corso episode do you think they have no

820
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,659
validity whatever well the problem I

821
00:34:16,169 --> 00:34:12,899
have with the corso story is that

822
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:16,179
Roswell happening 47 and we're led to

823
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:17,770
believe that all these fantastic

824
00:34:24,029 --> 00:34:20,649
developments be made in in the sort of

825
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:24,039
post war period 40s and 50s happened so

826
00:34:29,279 --> 00:34:26,740
quickly you know the idea that we get

827
00:34:31,859 --> 00:34:29,289
our hands on a craft constructed on

828
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:31,869
another world involving technology that

829
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,490
allowed it to travel from there to here

830
00:34:38,369 --> 00:34:35,679
which would be massively in advance for

831
00:34:41,399 --> 00:34:38,379
us and somehow we cracked the code

832
00:34:43,409 --> 00:34:41,409
within months or years and suddenly you

833
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:43,419
know we're use it all this technology to

834
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:45,849
me that's just not plausible you know it

835
00:34:50,369 --> 00:34:48,609
just comes across as it's just over the

836
00:34:52,769 --> 00:34:50,379
top you know I would think we'd be

837
00:34:54,359 --> 00:34:52,779
looking at 30 40 50 years and possibly

838
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:54,369
even looking in it now to try and

839
00:34:58,859 --> 00:34:56,470
understand technology developed on

840
00:35:01,529 --> 00:34:58,869
another world not sort of you know

841
00:35:03,029 --> 00:35:01,539
developing it within months or you know

842
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:03,039
a few years of getting hold of the

843
00:35:07,109 --> 00:35:05,170
wreckage half a century ago that's the

844
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:07,119
big problem I have you know it's almost

845
00:35:13,260 --> 00:35:10,690
like you take the proverbial iPhone 5s

846
00:35:15,779 --> 00:35:13,270
the new one with a 64-bit processing and

847
00:35:18,569 --> 00:35:15,789
the fingerprint sensor and all this

848
00:35:20,819 --> 00:35:18,579
stuff you send it back through time say

849
00:35:23,099 --> 00:35:20,829
a hundred years and you say to the

850
00:35:24,690 --> 00:35:23,109
people figure it out what is it well

851
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,700
yeah I mean I would argue even if you

852
00:35:29,220 --> 00:35:27,520
sent it back to 1947 the barrier the

853
00:35:31,890 --> 00:35:29,230
Roswell crash and gave it to the world's

854
00:35:35,250 --> 00:35:31,900
leading scientists I do not believe they

855
00:35:38,190 --> 00:35:35,260
would replicate an iPhone or an iPad

856
00:35:40,829 --> 00:35:38,200
within two or three years and by the

857
00:35:41,410 --> 00:35:40,839
same token if they couldn't replicate an

858
00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:41,420
iPad

859
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:43,400
in lourdes i phone in two or three years

860
00:35:47,259 --> 00:35:45,410
how the hell are they going to replicate

861
00:35:49,390 --> 00:35:47,269
something developed on another planet

862
00:35:51,430 --> 00:35:49,400
nevermind on this one that's the problem

863
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:51,440
I have not the idea that we might not

864
00:35:56,799 --> 00:35:53,690
try and back engineer alien technology

865
00:35:58,990 --> 00:35:56,809
the problem I have is the timeframe that

866
00:36:01,180 --> 00:35:59,000
Corso claims all of this was

867
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:01,190
successfully achieved plus a lot of the

868
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inventions that he claims were assaulted

869
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:05,720
into the private industry for all these

870
00:36:12,819 --> 00:36:08,930
developments there's a definite paper

871
00:36:16,029 --> 00:36:12,829
trail and and and a research trail and

872
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,039
chain of experiments and stuff for a lot

873
00:36:20,109 --> 00:36:17,359
of these things it's not like they just

874
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appeared in a vacuum I could say just to

875
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be contrary which I always have I could

876
00:36:26,380 --> 00:36:24,890
say that the paper trail is not relevant

877
00:36:28,269 --> 00:36:26,390
and the reason it's not relevant is

878
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because that could have been faked later

879
00:36:32,500 --> 00:36:30,200
it makes perfect sense that there

880
00:36:34,539 --> 00:36:32,510
wouldn't be a paper trail of alleged

881
00:36:37,359 --> 00:36:34,549
alien technology you know just saying

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there's no truth to the rumor that we

987
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have Nick Redfern come on here just to

988
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do our little bumper thingies the para

989
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crest

990
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in fact the matter is I haven't liked

991
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:42,680
Nick fact of the matter is he writes

992
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great books he has great ideas and this

993
00:41:51,339 --> 00:41:47,359
as we were talking here about the fact

994
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that even if we had gotten the wreckage

995
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of a Roswell spaceship we wouldn't even

996
00:42:00,849 --> 00:41:58,400
be able to get around the edges in

997
00:42:03,309 --> 00:42:00,859
learning about the technology now what I

998
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:03,319
was also thinking here and this is

999
00:42:08,049 --> 00:42:06,410
another thing what about the bodies okay

1000
00:42:09,609 --> 00:42:08,059
so we can't figure out anything about

1001
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:09,619
the technology that's understandable

1002
00:42:13,390 --> 00:42:11,089
we're dealing with technology hundreds

1003
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:13,400
or thousands of years ahead of us but

1004
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:16,670
what about the alien bodies where would

1005
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:19,670
they be what would we know about alien

1006
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:21,529
physiology or maybe they're so close to

1007
00:42:27,329 --> 00:42:24,529
being human that you know it's something

1008
00:42:30,789 --> 00:42:27,339
that isn't terribly unique or unusual

1009
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:30,799
well you know I mean again the the big

1010
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:32,900
question is how could the bodies be

1011
00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:35,150
hidden and my answer would be very

1012
00:42:42,099 --> 00:42:38,180
successfully because it may not involve

1013
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:42,109
a gigantic project to study them or and

1014
00:42:46,930 --> 00:42:43,940
and you know a great number of people

1015
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:46,940
and by that I mean that let's say

1016
00:42:51,279 --> 00:42:48,650
hypothetically they found three or four

1017
00:42:53,769 --> 00:42:51,289
bodies at Roswell or body parts and some

1018
00:42:55,509 --> 00:42:53,779
decomposed and some not scooped it all

1019
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:55,519
up and tried to preserve it as best they

1020
00:43:00,849 --> 00:42:58,729
could well and took it somewhere you

1021
00:43:02,799 --> 00:43:00,859
know that was secure and safe probably

1022
00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:02,809
somewhere where you know there may have

1023
00:43:06,939 --> 00:43:04,940
been concerns even about alien

1024
00:43:10,209 --> 00:43:06,949
contamination biological contamination

1025
00:43:12,729 --> 00:43:10,219
so the likely places would be somewhere

1026
00:43:14,979 --> 00:43:12,739
like Fort Dietrich in Maryland or the

1027
00:43:17,140 --> 00:43:14,989
Dugway proving ground where a lot of

1028
00:43:18,939 --> 00:43:17,150
research is undertaken into exotic

1029
00:43:22,689 --> 00:43:18,949
viruses and things like that you would

1030
00:43:25,569 --> 00:43:22,699
want a sterile environment but the fact

1031
00:43:26,289 --> 00:43:25,579
of the matter is when you confirm yeah

1032
00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:26,299
it's a body

1033
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:29,180
it used to be alive that it's not human

1034
00:43:33,219 --> 00:43:31,729
and it's clearly not from here if you

1035
00:43:35,289 --> 00:43:33,229
actually have no contact with the

1036
00:43:37,089 --> 00:43:35,299
phenomenon itself or the entities behind

1037
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:37,099
the phenomenon and all you've got is a

1038
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:39,680
bunch of corpses there's really not much

1039
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:40,920
you can do beyond or

1040
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:42,750
seeing them saying well yeah but not

1041
00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:44,490
from anywhere around here you know it's

1042
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:45,960
like what else can you do with them

1043
00:43:51,050 --> 00:43:48,450
other than autopsy them prepare reports

1044
00:43:53,810 --> 00:43:51,060
take pictures and preserve it for

1045
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:53,820
posterity doesn't take very many people

1046
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:56,700
to do that no the important thing is

1047
00:44:01,070 --> 00:43:59,010
when you've done all that how much

1048
00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:01,080
further can you take it that's the

1049
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:01,790
problem

1050
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,490
and I think again that's why the issue

1051
00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:07,500
of the bodies is so incredibly well

1052
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:10,620
hidden but easily hidden because it

1053
00:44:14,990 --> 00:44:12,930
doesn't take much to just hide you know

1054
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,000
four or five bodies in cryogenic

1055
00:44:19,070 --> 00:44:16,800
containers say fifty feet underground

1056
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:19,080
and have a couple of guards on the door

1057
00:44:24,350 --> 00:44:21,210
I mean you know it's not rocket science

1058
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:24,360
it's easy to do and if you keep it

1059
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,070
limited to a small number of people

1060
00:44:30,590 --> 00:44:28,380
maybe just maybe you could keep the

1061
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:30,600
secret or is that still almost

1062
00:44:34,580 --> 00:44:33,240
impossible well with the secret hasn't

1063
00:44:36,590 --> 00:44:34,590
actually been kept because we're talking

1064
00:44:38,060 --> 00:44:36,600
about it the big thing is that the

1065
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:38,070
secret as far as like the mainstream

1066
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:40,050
media is concerned is that it hasn't

1067
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:42,660
been believed that that's the issue you

1068
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,210
know we're talking about dead bodies

1069
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:47,220
alien bodies and crafts etc and wreckage

1070
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:49,620
because the story has been talked about

1071
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:52,740
is leaked out but the problem is nobody

1072
00:44:57,140 --> 00:44:55,110
has the proof to confirm it and I think

1073
00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:57,150
again this comes down to the fact that

1074
00:45:01,850 --> 00:44:59,430
it's so deeply hidden by one of these

1075
00:45:03,950 --> 00:45:01,860
special access programs because there's

1076
00:45:05,660 --> 00:45:03,960
really not that much to hide you know

1077
00:45:10,190 --> 00:45:05,670
there's a bunch of wreckage and several

1078
00:45:11,540 --> 00:45:10,200
bodies and and that's it and I think you

1079
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:11,550
know when you look back at the GAO

1080
00:45:15,980 --> 00:45:13,380
report and I mentioned this in the book

1081
00:45:19,370 --> 00:45:15,990
I mean I'm actually probably one of the

1082
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:19,380
few Roswell researchers who thinks there

1083
00:45:23,210 --> 00:45:21,210
was a conspiracy who doesn't believe

1084
00:45:24,590 --> 00:45:23,220
that the Air Force was lying when he put

1085
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:24,600
out its mogul in crash-test-dummy

1086
00:45:29,330 --> 00:45:27,540
reports I truly don't believe the Air

1087
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:29,340
Force were the bad guys in this I think

1088
00:45:34,220 --> 00:45:32,670
the Air Force when the GAO instructed

1089
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:34,230
them to look for files I think the Air

1090
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:36,210
Force went looking and actually came up

1091
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:38,490
blank but they felt the responsibility

1092
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,490
was on them to try and at least come up

1093
00:45:45,110 --> 00:45:43,560
with some explanation and I think the

1094
00:45:47,450 --> 00:45:45,120
explanations they came up with a puff

1095
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:47,460
Lord that's to say that the Mogul

1096
00:45:51,470 --> 00:45:49,500
balloon one and the crash test dummies

1097
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:51,480
but I don't think it was a case at all

1098
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:52,980
that the Air Force would have been the

1099
00:45:56,350 --> 00:45:54,570
bad guys and rubbing the hands too

1100
00:45:58,490 --> 00:45:56,360
the saying yeah we pulled the wool over

1101
00:46:00,800 --> 00:45:58,500
everybody's eyes and they were sitting

1102
00:46:02,990 --> 00:46:00,810
on all the wreckage I think today's Air

1103
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:03,000
Force probably knows no more about

1104
00:46:07,310 --> 00:46:05,610
Roswell than we do certain that goes the

1105
00:46:09,170 --> 00:46:07,320
same for everybody saying the CIA you

1106
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:09,180
know you don't join these organizations

1107
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:10,530
and they suddenly tell you what happened

1108
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:12,870
at Roswell 67 years ago that would be

1109
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:13,650
ridiculous

1110
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:16,410
so again I think you know there's this

1111
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:19,710
misconception that if an agency comes

1112
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,990
out with an explanation it's got to be a

1113
00:46:28,030 --> 00:46:24,300
cover story it may just be as I think

1114
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,040
their best guess or their best estimate

1115
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:30,000
based on the fact that they couldn't

1116
00:46:33,620 --> 00:46:31,650
find anything I mean a lot of people

1117
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:33,630
forget this in the official Air Force

1118
00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,560
report on Roswell

1119
00:46:37,940 --> 00:46:36,300
when they come up with the Mogul

1120
00:46:40,430 --> 00:46:37,950
explanation they actually admit that

1121
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:40,440
they didn't find any records to confirm

1122
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:42,630
the Mogul theory was just their best

1123
00:46:48,950 --> 00:46:45,960
estimation of the facts almost shows

1124
00:46:50,570 --> 00:46:48,960
them being stupid doesn't it well no not

1125
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:50,580
really because what do you demonstrate

1126
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:53,250
well you know I don't know where the

1127
00:46:55,700 --> 00:46:54,330
government was supposed to know

1128
00:46:57,710 --> 00:46:55,710
everything but we don't have any

1129
00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:57,720
information if they've destroyed all the

1130
00:47:02,060 --> 00:46:59,720
records and then years later I go back

1131
00:47:05,300 --> 00:47:02,070
now doesn't make them stupid to me what

1132
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:05,310
it means is the beam from at the truth

1133
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:07,220
the real secret about Roswell he's so

1134
00:47:13,220 --> 00:47:10,470
incredibly well hidden but not even the

1135
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:13,230
Air Force of today can penetrate that

1136
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:15,000
secret so doesn't make them stupid it

1137
00:47:18,530 --> 00:47:16,440
means they're out of the loop that's

1138
00:47:20,180 --> 00:47:18,540
what he basically means I'm kind of just

1139
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:20,190
being sarcastic about that but let's

1140
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:23,550
look at who does know the secret does

1141
00:47:29,500 --> 00:47:25,650
the president know that we have this

1142
00:47:31,850 --> 00:47:29,510
information lurking somewhere who knows

1143
00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:31,860
well that's the problem we don't know

1144
00:47:37,610 --> 00:47:34,920
whose body is accessing it so the thing

1145
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:37,620
is it might well be that the reason why

1146
00:47:43,490 --> 00:47:39,930
the secrecy so well kept and this

1147
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:43,500
probably appalled and disappointment in

1148
00:47:47,180 --> 00:47:45,540
the UFO field because it prevents

1149
00:47:49,070 --> 00:47:47,190
possibly never coming out

1150
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:49,080
it may be nothing's being done with it

1151
00:47:53,390 --> 00:47:51,390
all but it really is just stored away

1152
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,400
because if you think about it logically

1153
00:47:57,350 --> 00:47:55,260
let's say there's never actually been

1154
00:48:00,200 --> 00:47:57,360
any face-to-face contact between the

1155
00:48:01,490 --> 00:48:00,210
intelligence is behind the UFOs and the

1156
00:48:03,650 --> 00:48:01,500
government or the military you know the

1157
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:03,660
galan report or the cases but no actual

1158
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:05,970
proof of who these things are where

1159
00:48:09,830 --> 00:48:08,610
they're from whatever people they've got

1160
00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:09,840
it's a bunch of wreckage and bodies

1161
00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:12,510
stored away there's really only so much

1162
00:48:17,540 --> 00:48:15,150
research you can do on both before you

1163
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:17,550
just say well what else can we do beyond

1164
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,730
just preserve it and that might be why

1165
00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:22,640
the secret hasn't come out because

1166
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,110
there's not a great deal of work being

1167
00:48:28,850 --> 00:48:27,480
done on it it's just stored away you

1168
00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:28,860
know kind of like in the equivalent of

1169
00:48:33,380 --> 00:48:31,860
somebody's attic or whatever and people

1170
00:48:35,180 --> 00:48:33,390
might say well that's impossible of

1171
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:35,190
course they'd be researching it well

1172
00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:36,750
they would to a point but you're gonna

1173
00:48:41,300 --> 00:48:39,270
reach a point where what else can you do

1174
00:48:42,980 --> 00:48:41,310
other than preserve it or maybe that

1175
00:48:45,830 --> 00:48:42,990
maybe that's where Roswell is at know

1176
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,840
that the keepers of the secretive feel

1177
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,700
they've done all they can they don't

1178
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:49,140
want it obviously destroy unique

1179
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:51,810
materials but it's just you know this

1180
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:55,050
have took guard on the door 24/7 but

1181
00:48:59,660 --> 00:48:56,430
nobody ever does anything with it you

1182
00:49:01,130 --> 00:48:59,670
know so is there any hope that we'll

1183
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:01,140
ever get any answers to any of these

1184
00:49:05,780 --> 00:49:03,120
things related to Roswell or we'll just

1185
00:49:08,780 --> 00:49:05,790
be having turf wars for the next 50

1186
00:49:10,670 --> 00:49:08,790
years well you know I'm not a

1187
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:10,680
pessimistic person I'm an optimistic

1188
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:13,500
person but if I look at it realistically

1189
00:49:18,590 --> 00:49:16,920
I don't think we have a chance in hell

1190
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:18,600
of proving what happened at Roswell

1191
00:49:23,980 --> 00:49:22,050
unless this special access program or

1192
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:23,990
the keepers of secret want to turn them

1193
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:26,850
until they decide we're gonna get to see

1194
00:49:31,130 --> 00:49:30,060
it and of course if the reasons that not

1195
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:31,140
you know if you've just got like a

1196
00:49:35,420 --> 00:49:33,180
hundred foot by hundred foot underground

1197
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:35,430
room where it's all preserved unless

1198
00:49:39,860 --> 00:49:37,800
they want to release it you know nobody

1199
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:39,870
has the chance of getting into there or

1200
00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:42,930
accessing it or whatever so my view is

1201
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:47,310
that unless circumstances change we

1202
00:49:51,890 --> 00:49:49,530
won't get the truth and of course the

1203
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:51,900
big question is well why would the

1204
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:53,760
people hiding the secret prevail in any

1205
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:56,190
way you know what would be real no much

1206
00:50:02,750 --> 00:49:58,290
no real motivation from their

1207
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:02,760
perspective to do so so I just don't see

1208
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:05,790
how we can take Roswell any further then

1209
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:07,170
that's not to say we don't have a lot of

1210
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:10,170
credible testimony we do but we don't

1211
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:11,910
have the hard evidence and I just don't

1212
00:50:15,980 --> 00:50:14,640
see you know if I'm honest which I want

1213
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,990
to be you know I have no way of

1214
00:50:21,980 --> 00:50:17,760
understanding how we can ever actually

1215
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:21,990
access the hard proof of Roswell

1216
00:50:28,550 --> 00:50:24,570
what about this dream team in this story

1217
00:50:29,930 --> 00:50:28,560
about slides showing a body well yeah I

1218
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,940
mean that this is interesting because

1219
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:31,800
it's another development but at the end

1220
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:33,750
of the day I think the only thing that

1221
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:37,920
will ever really satisfy anybody you

1222
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:39,770
know in terms of actually having proof

1223
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:42,930
whether it's the media the UFO community

1224
00:50:46,070 --> 00:50:45,450
or the public these hard physical

1225
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:46,080
evidence

1226
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:48,030
you know photographs imagery film

1227
00:50:52,700 --> 00:50:50,730
footage can be intriguing and

1228
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:52,710
interesting you know there are still

1229
00:50:59,180 --> 00:50:54,210
people today who believe the alien

1230
00:51:02,540 --> 00:50:59,190
autopsy film isn't a fake so in that

1231
00:51:05,150 --> 00:51:02,550
sense anything else that surfaces there

1232
00:51:07,970 --> 00:51:05,160
isn't a body or a piece of undeniable

1233
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:07,980
wreckage or a body part he's all going

1234
00:51:11,450 --> 00:51:09,540
I'm always gonna be open to question

1235
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,460
it's never gonna resolve it you know the

1236
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:13,680
only thing that will resolve Roswell is

1237
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:15,450
the hard physical evidence that came

1238
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:17,460
down on the foster ranch nothing else

1239
00:51:23,060 --> 00:51:20,580
will ever you know fully work well this

1240
00:51:24,500 --> 00:51:23,070
memory metal we're going into that in

1241
00:51:26,570 --> 00:51:24,510
the moment we could use some memory

1242
00:51:28,910 --> 00:51:26,580
metal or just some memories Nick Redfern

1243
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,920
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1264
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1265
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1266
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1267
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1268
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1269
00:52:33,489 --> 00:52:31,880
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1270
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:33,499
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1271
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:34,640
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1272
00:52:37,539 --> 00:52:36,410
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1273
00:52:39,549 --> 00:52:37,549
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1274
00:52:42,819 --> 00:52:39,559
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1275
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1276
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1277
00:52:54,130 --> 00:52:51,349
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1278
00:52:56,620 --> 00:52:54,140
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1279
00:52:59,200 --> 00:52:56,630
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1280
00:53:00,849 --> 00:52:59,210
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1281
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:00,859
you know the US government banned the

1282
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:02,569
hemp plant from growing in the United

1283
00:53:06,789 --> 00:53:04,609
States and classified it as a Schedule

1284
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:06,799
one drug to hide it behind the marijuana

1285
00:53:11,049 --> 00:53:08,569
plant people have been confused about

1286
00:53:12,970 --> 00:53:11,059
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1287
00:53:15,010 --> 00:53:12,980
still don't know

1288
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:15,020
so now you know him it's not marijuana

1289
00:53:19,870 --> 00:53:17,690
and marijuana is not him they are

1290
00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:19,880
different varieties of the same species

1291
00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:22,369
hemp USA org wants the world to know

1292
00:53:26,319 --> 00:53:24,200
these basic facts and to help people

1293
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1294
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1295
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1296
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:33,230
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1297
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:36,050
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1298
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:38,720
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1299
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1300
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1301
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1302
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:48,440
seats an oil can do for you only at hemp

1303
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:00,060
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1304
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:04,410
standard of paranormal radio and now

1305
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:11,650
here's Jane Steinberg with gene and

1306
00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:13,570
Chris and the para cast we've got Nick

1307
00:54:18,030 --> 00:54:16,120
Redfern he's author of many books the

1308
00:54:21,390 --> 00:54:18,040
most recent one of which is for nobody's

1309
00:54:23,790 --> 00:54:21,400
eyes only and we're looking into some of

1310
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:23,800
that supposedly hidden evidence that

1311
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:25,810
might spill the beans about Roswell that

1312
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:29,050
we can't recover Chris mentioned just in

1313
00:54:33,780 --> 00:54:32,020
passing memory metal is that proof of

1314
00:54:36,450 --> 00:54:33,790
anything you know we have these stories

1315
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:36,460
about at the foster ranch the troops you

1316
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:37,810
know what they were doing the cleanup

1317
00:54:42,180 --> 00:54:40,000
coming across all this wreckage that the

1318
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:42,190
rancher Mac Brazel had originally found

1319
00:54:45,810 --> 00:54:44,050
and you know the order was to scoop it

1320
00:54:47,370 --> 00:54:45,820
all up and collect it well you know over

1321
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:47,380
the years there have been a few stories

1322
00:54:52,530 --> 00:54:49,810
about old times who supposedly kept

1323
00:54:54,990 --> 00:54:52,540
pieces are there nothing hundred percent

1324
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:55,000
definitive has ever really surfaced on

1325
00:54:58,650 --> 00:54:57,280
that matter we do know from the military

1326
00:55:00,180 --> 00:54:58,660
people have talked about how they were

1327
00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:00,190
ordered to literally go down on their

1328
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:01,990
hands and knees at the crash site and

1329
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:04,030
just have all crawl along in a big line

1330
00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:06,370
taking up just any anything that looked

1331
00:55:10,650 --> 00:55:08,110
out of the ordinary old it wasn't just

1332
00:55:12,180 --> 00:55:10,660
you know regular desert material so

1333
00:55:14,130 --> 00:55:12,190
clearly that must have been taken

1334
00:55:16,500 --> 00:55:14,140
somewhere for study but again the big

1335
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:16,510
question is even if you understand the

1336
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:18,880
basics of this technology that it's some

1337
00:55:22,410 --> 00:55:20,650
sort of memory metal what are you going

1338
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:22,420
to do with it beyond story if you

1339
00:55:26,700 --> 00:55:24,550
haven't fully understood the technology

1340
00:55:28,620 --> 00:55:26,710
it's kind of like we hear all these

1341
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:28,630
stories again about back-engineering but

1342
00:55:33,450 --> 00:55:31,240
if you study the memory metal and you

1343
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:33,460
have some idea of the concepts of it but

1344
00:55:38,220 --> 00:55:35,500
you're not able to fully duplicate it

1345
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:38,230
replicating or even use it you may just

1346
00:55:43,230 --> 00:55:40,090
end up scratching heads and file it away

1347
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:43,240
until the next generation of specialists

1348
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:44,560
come around and they have another look

1349
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:46,930
at it and then in the 70s somebody else

1350
00:55:50,610 --> 00:55:48,490
looks at it in the 80s somebody else

1351
00:55:53,070 --> 00:55:50,620
looks at but again stuff like that would

1352
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:53,080
be very easy to hide you've just got a

1353
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:55,180
relatively small project I think there's

1354
00:55:59,790 --> 00:55:57,400
often a tendency within the UFO field

1355
00:56:01,860 --> 00:55:59,800
for people to conclude researchers to

1356
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:01,870
conclude but if there's a secret UFO

1357
00:56:06,930 --> 00:56:04,810
program it must be gigantic but the big

1358
00:56:08,970 --> 00:56:06,940
irony is he could be quite small it

1359
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:08,980
could be one building filled with a

1360
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:09,520
multi

1361
00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:11,650
a filing cabinet filled with documents

1362
00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:13,630
and photographs and maybe the wreckage

1363
00:56:18,270 --> 00:56:16,270
of three or four vehicles and say 15 or

1364
00:56:20,460 --> 00:56:18,280
20 bodies collectively that wouldn't be

1365
00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:20,470
hard to hide and so I think that's why

1366
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,110
the secret has been kept so well Roswell

1367
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:24,640
I don't believe is something that spread

1368
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:26,770
far and wide throughout the intelligence

1369
00:56:30,030 --> 00:56:27,970
community or the military or the

1370
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:30,040
government's I think it's very very

1371
00:56:34,830 --> 00:56:32,650
deeply by a small group so what about

1372
00:56:35,970 --> 00:56:34,840
the dream team and all the discussions

1373
00:56:37,500 --> 00:56:35,980
about that is there any hope that

1374
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:37,510
they're going to come up with an answer

1375
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:40,180
again I think what will likely happen is

1376
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:41,320
that they'll come up with information

1377
00:56:46,170 --> 00:56:44,530
day to testimony and more insight

1378
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:46,180
because that's what's always happened

1379
00:56:50,820 --> 00:56:48,430
whether it's the dream team whether it

1380
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:50,830
was Bill Moore Stan Friedman Robert and

1381
00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:53,170
Ryan Ward all these people have dug into

1382
00:56:57,840 --> 00:56:55,060
Roswell and all of them have found new

1383
00:56:59,490 --> 00:56:57,850
material which massively contradicts the

1384
00:57:01,230 --> 00:56:59,500
official story of a weather balloon and

1385
00:57:03,660 --> 00:57:01,240
I have no doubt that dream team will

1386
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:03,670
probably do the same thing no disrespect

1387
00:57:08,550 --> 00:57:05,890
to any of these people but the problem

1388
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:08,560
is we need to find a way to get past

1389
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:13,210
just old-timer testimony and suggestive

1390
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:16,090
imagery or whatever what we need is to

1391
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:19,090
access the hard evidence that would be

1392
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:21,370
the final point but again I just don't

1393
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:23,170
see any way that can be done and that's

1394
00:57:27,540 --> 00:57:24,790
not being pessimistic that's just been

1395
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:27,550
realistic noticing that how would you

1396
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:29,890
literally access this material you just

1397
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:31,750
can't the only person they would have an

1398
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:33,790
ability to do that would be kind of like

1399
00:57:37,140 --> 00:57:35,800
an Edward Snowden but nobody's going to

1400
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:37,150
do that probably in this day and age

1401
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:39,640
because look at the ramifications you

1402
00:57:43,650 --> 00:57:41,530
know there would be idiotic to do that

1403
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:43,660
do we just give up on Roswell for now

1404
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:45,250
because we will never have the answer

1405
00:57:51,810 --> 00:57:47,140
unless somebody in the know tell us a

1406
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:51,820
secret on their deathbed problem is it

1407
00:57:56,070 --> 00:57:53,740
hasn't been believed outside of the UFO

1408
00:57:58,290 --> 00:57:56,080
community that's how well the secret

1409
00:57:59,790 --> 00:57:58,300
quote-unquote is being kept that

1410
00:58:01,380 --> 00:57:59,800
somebody could tell you the truth they

1411
00:58:03,660 --> 00:58:01,390
could hide you there in plain sight

1412
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:03,670
here's the truth but nobody believes it

1413
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:05,440
so doesn't matter to get to point I

1414
00:58:08,940 --> 00:58:06,880
don't think we should give up because

1415
00:58:10,410 --> 00:58:08,950
you know that were just taking the

1416
00:58:12,540 --> 00:58:10,420
defeatist approach I think we should

1417
00:58:14,610 --> 00:58:12,550
always look into it because we can never

1418
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:14,620
roll out the possibility of human error

1419
00:58:19,050 --> 00:58:16,870
that's to say maybe 50 years ago a

1420
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:19,060
document got shelled in the wrong place

1421
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:22,090
and it maybe would one day turn up so we

1422
00:58:26,130 --> 00:58:23,440
should never be defeatist

1423
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,140
about it but we should be aware of the

1424
00:58:30,300 --> 00:58:28,480
fact that getting the answers might be

1425
00:58:32,370 --> 00:58:30,310
problematic to the point of almost

1426
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:32,380
impossible but no we should never give

1427
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:34,390
up in you know that and walk away just

1428
00:58:38,609 --> 00:58:36,250
because it's a tough battle

1429
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:38,619
now that should spur us on more but I

1430
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:40,810
just don't here we get past at the point

1431
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:41,650
where we are now

1432
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:43,599
rights not much we're banging on a door

1433
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:45,130
because we don't even know where the

1434
00:58:50,099 --> 00:58:47,530
door is well when it comes to Roswell

1435
00:58:53,250 --> 00:58:50,109
Nick your presentation I was not aware

1436
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:53,260
that four years worth of documentation

1437
00:58:58,800 --> 00:58:56,200
and cables and whatnot were expunged

1438
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,810
from the official files you mentioned

1439
00:59:01,950 --> 00:59:00,160
during the talk that he went around to

1440
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:01,960
other Air Force facilities during the

1441
00:59:06,059 --> 00:59:03,609
same timeframe and all their files were

1442
00:59:07,890 --> 00:59:06,069
intact that's pretty compelling that's

1443
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:07,900
an important factor you know that the

1444
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:10,180
the files are 45 all the outgoing

1445
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,490
messages from the Roswell base and

1446
00:59:17,609 --> 00:59:14,079
actually a lot of other messages as well

1447
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:17,619
for 45 to 49 and actually a few into 50

1448
00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:19,810
are all gone if that was something where

1449
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:23,109
you know let's say in 48 or 50 the Air

1450
00:59:26,579 --> 00:59:24,790
Force sent out a memo saying you know

1451
00:59:28,349 --> 00:59:26,589
we're getting our whelming paper go

1452
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:28,359
through all your records from the

1453
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:29,920
immediate post-war area and whatever you

1454
00:59:33,420 --> 00:59:31,930
don't need just destroy them then we

1455
00:59:35,700 --> 00:59:33,430
could say well it's just coincidence

1456
00:59:37,170 --> 00:59:35,710
which you probably would be but I

1457
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:37,180
checked it for example the National

1458
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:39,790
Archives for just what turtle and Air

1459
00:59:44,250 --> 00:59:42,130
Force Base which is also in New Mexico

1460
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:44,260
their records you know the identical

1461
00:59:48,780 --> 00:59:46,569
kind of records the specific batch of

1462
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:48,790
records all the outgoing ones they're

1463
00:59:52,260 --> 00:59:50,710
still preserved at the National Archives

1464
00:59:55,319 --> 00:59:52,270
and and you can see them

1465
00:59:58,109 --> 00:59:55,329
that for me is an insight if you like

1466
00:59:59,640 --> 00:59:58,119
that the Roswell files were taken for

1467
01:00:02,309 --> 00:59:59,650
some other reason now of course the big

1468
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:02,319
question is if Roswell happened in 47

1469
01:00:07,530 --> 01:00:05,650
why would files from 45 and 46 be

1470
01:00:09,660 --> 01:00:07,540
removed the best I could sort of come up

1471
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:09,670
with and granted it is kind of like a

1472
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:13,030
guess if you like or speculation is that

1473
01:00:18,569 --> 01:00:16,329
when some project an official project

1474
01:00:20,790 --> 01:00:18,579
was set up and consolidated in one area

1475
01:00:23,099 --> 01:00:20,800
then a decision might have been taken

1476
01:00:25,140 --> 01:00:23,109
look in case something's been filed in

1477
01:00:27,270 --> 01:00:25,150
the wrong place or bit of paperwork got

1478
01:00:29,010 --> 01:00:27,280
misplaced whatever let's just get

1479
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:29,020
everything now we can figure it out when

1480
01:00:32,730 --> 01:00:31,180
it's all in a safe and secure location I

1481
01:00:35,190 --> 01:00:32,740
think that's probably what happened that

1482
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:35,200
a decision was taken to remove

1483
01:00:39,330 --> 01:00:36,970
everything from a year or two

1484
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:39,340
either side of the event India case in

1485
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:40,720
the event of something being misplaced

1486
01:00:44,910 --> 01:00:43,210
and then when they go through it all if

1487
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:44,920
something was misplaced they were

1488
01:00:48,570 --> 01:00:46,450
fortunate they caught it if it wasn't

1489
01:00:50,609 --> 01:00:48,580
swell they just played safe in grabbing

1490
01:00:52,500 --> 01:00:50,619
everything to start with so I guess we

1491
01:00:54,510 --> 01:00:52,510
should move beyond Roswell because we'll

1492
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:54,520
never get to the bottom of it okay if

1493
01:00:58,290 --> 01:00:55,690
the Roswell was one of the biggest

1494
01:00:59,970 --> 01:00:58,300
mysteries for which documentation is

1495
01:01:02,070 --> 01:00:59,980
missing what would be number two with a

1496
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,080
bullet well for me at least I would say

1497
01:01:06,210 --> 01:01:04,000
it would be the what is arguably the

1498
01:01:09,210 --> 01:01:06,220
British Roswell which is the Rendlesham

1499
01:01:11,849 --> 01:01:09,220
affair of December 1980 where again we

1500
01:01:14,310 --> 01:01:11,859
have clear evidence of data and

1501
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:14,320
documentation having gone missing it's

1502
01:01:18,330 --> 01:01:16,240
like lead Roswell every so often new

1503
01:01:20,099 --> 01:01:18,340
information surfaces on the Rendlesham

1504
01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:20,109
case this people aren't aware of it

1505
01:01:23,609 --> 01:01:21,369
which I'm sure isn't many of your

1506
01:01:26,790 --> 01:01:23,619
listeners it basically revolves around

1507
01:01:27,950 --> 01:01:26,800
this incident in December 1980 when over

1508
01:01:30,810 --> 01:01:27,960
the course of three or four nights

1509
01:01:32,730 --> 01:01:30,820
multiple UFOs and strange lights and

1510
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:32,740
even reports of weird creatures were

1511
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:35,170
made in the vicinity of Benton forest

1512
01:01:40,020 --> 01:01:37,810
which is adjacent to the old military

1513
01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:40,030
bases of Bentwaters and Woodbridge one

1514
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:42,550
of the stories that surfaced in relation

1515
01:01:47,820 --> 01:01:46,089
to Rendlesham came in 1988 for a former

1516
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:47,830
British prison officer named George

1517
01:01:51,660 --> 01:01:50,380
Wilde George Wilde was a friend of the

1518
01:01:52,859 --> 01:01:51,670
late Graham birds who used to edit the

1519
01:01:55,410 --> 01:01:52,869
British UFO magazine

1520
01:01:57,870 --> 01:01:55,420
well Wilde George Wald confided in

1521
01:01:59,790 --> 01:01:57,880
Graham back in 1988 that when he was a

1522
01:02:01,380 --> 01:01:59,800
prison officer one of Britain's leading

1523
01:02:02,790 --> 01:02:01,390
prison he learned that the British

1524
01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:02,800
government's home office which is

1525
01:02:07,260 --> 01:02:04,420
responsible for sort of law and order

1526
01:02:09,839 --> 01:02:07,270
and you know prisons etc and issued like

1527
01:02:12,329 --> 01:02:09,849
an emergency memo during the course of

1528
01:02:14,370 --> 01:02:12,339
the Rendlesham events informing Stafford

1529
01:02:16,380 --> 01:02:14,380
a nearby prison pulled high point prison

1530
01:02:19,079 --> 01:02:16,390
that the prisoners might have to be

1531
01:02:20,609 --> 01:02:19,089
evacuated on one of the nights the high

1532
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:20,619
point prison is actually very close to

1533
01:02:25,890 --> 01:02:23,320
Rendlesham forest and another researcher

1534
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:25,900
Georgina Bruni she found evidence and

1535
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:28,330
testimony the two other prisons right

1536
01:02:33,270 --> 01:02:29,950
around the vicinity of Rendlesham forest

1537
01:02:35,130 --> 01:02:33,280
were all also prime for evacuation some

1538
01:02:37,410 --> 01:02:35,140
point between the 26th of the 28th of

1539
01:02:39,060 --> 01:02:37,420
December 1980 when all this stuff was

1540
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:39,070
going down in the forest

1541
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:41,950
Lord Hill Norton who was former chief of

1542
01:02:46,380 --> 01:02:43,720
the British Defence Staff who had a

1543
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,390
personal interest in the Rendlesham case

1544
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:48,640
actually lobbied the British government

1545
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:49,630
to

1546
01:02:54,269 --> 01:02:52,089
success the official governor's love

1547
01:02:56,940 --> 01:02:54,279
book from high point prison grudgingly

1548
01:02:58,259 --> 01:02:56,950
the government said okay well you know

1549
01:03:00,509 --> 01:02:58,269
let's go and have a look at it the

1550
01:03:02,430 --> 01:03:00,519
response was not so much that Lord

1551
01:03:04,259 --> 01:03:02,440
Norton couldn't see the love book or

1552
01:03:06,420 --> 01:03:04,269
that he was classified in the interest

1553
01:03:09,180 --> 01:03:06,430
of national security but it had banished

1554
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:09,190
the December 1980 logbook for that

1555
01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:11,170
prison he's just gone it's like the

1556
01:03:14,970 --> 01:03:13,000
roswell filed but again it's not like

1557
01:03:17,609 --> 01:03:14,980
all the other logs are missing so

1558
01:03:18,569 --> 01:03:17,619
clearly for me at least that is beyond

1559
01:03:20,430 --> 01:03:18,579
coincidence

1560
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:20,440
you know athle believed that something

1561
01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:22,450
was contained in that logbook that

1562
01:03:27,150 --> 01:03:25,660
explained why three prisons or in the

1563
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:27,160
vicinity of Rendlesham forest in

1564
01:03:31,319 --> 01:03:29,890
december 1980 were primed for evacuation

1565
01:03:33,930 --> 01:03:31,329
the fact that they probably were

1566
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:33,940
suggests something really significant

1567
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,500
and weird must have gone on in the woods

1568
01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:37,359
parts part of which we don't even know

1569
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:39,940
that today okay with gene and Chris and

1570
01:03:51,450 --> 01:03:49,690
Nick Redfern you're in so here's what

1571
01:03:54,359 --> 01:03:51,460
happened I was placing an order online

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the site went down it just stopped

1573
01:03:58,589 --> 01:03:56,829
responding it took hours before it

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01:04:00,359 --> 01:03:58,599
returned but I'd already placed the

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order with another company if your site

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goes down you could lose business and if

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you have a business or personal site

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you'll want to know it's easy to run and

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1583
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of the rock ODEs and it was a critically

1584
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:23,559
acclaimed success and now there's the

1585
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coming of the protectors a former

1586
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military intelligence man is contacted

1587
01:04:32,490 --> 01:04:29,920
by a space woman in a dream a dream that

1588
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:32,500
turns out to be a nightmare because evil

1589
01:04:35,339 --> 01:04:34,089
forces on our distant planet are

1590
01:04:38,009 --> 01:04:35,349
planning to conquer the earth

1591
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this is gripping science fiction of the

1592
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:40,750
classic kind attack of the rock ODEs and

1593
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:42,700
the coming of the protectors find out

1594
01:04:50,220 --> 01:04:45,490
more and Rocko is calm that's rockets

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follow up comment to make about what

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01:08:21,519 --> 01:08:18,489
Nick it said and we're focusing now on

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01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:21,529
Rendlesham is one of the top cases for

1659
01:08:26,349 --> 01:08:23,630
which documents are missing Chris yeah

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01:08:29,169 --> 01:08:26,359
the one thing that really puzzles me is

1661
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:29,179
what possible rationale they would have

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01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:31,250
or what reason they would have to

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:33,290
prepare a number of nearby prison

1664
01:08:37,809 --> 01:08:35,810
facilities for evacuation i'm moroccan

1665
01:08:41,019 --> 01:08:37,819
my brain trying to figure out why they

1666
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:41,029
would even consider doing that do you

1667
01:08:46,269 --> 01:08:44,290
have any thoughts on that intriguing

1668
01:08:49,780 --> 01:08:46,279
possibilities quite a disturbing

1669
01:08:51,939 --> 01:08:49,790
possibility as well in 1994 the deputy

1670
01:08:54,910 --> 01:08:51,949
base commander at the time was Colonel

1671
01:08:55,809 --> 01:08:54,920
Charles halt in 1994 at a lecture in

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01:08:57,910 --> 01:08:55,819
England Holt

1673
01:09:00,220 --> 01:08:57,920
talked about how in the immediate

1674
01:09:02,860 --> 01:09:00,230
aftermath of the events at large

1675
01:09:05,079 --> 01:09:02,870
aircraft landed at the base and a team

1676
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:05,089
of personnel went out into the woods as

1677
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:06,440
to what they were doing there we don't

1678
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:09,049
necessarily fully know but Georgina

1679
01:09:12,430 --> 01:09:10,730
Bruni who wrote the book you can't tell

1680
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:12,440
the people all about the Rendell sepoys

1681
01:09:17,610 --> 01:09:15,290
case she uncovered a story suggesting

1682
01:09:19,930 --> 01:09:17,620
that this particular team of personnel

1683
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,940
come up to the base from a place in

1684
01:09:24,010 --> 01:09:21,920
South England in the southwest called

1685
01:09:26,289 --> 01:09:24,020
Portland down no important down he's

1686
01:09:27,970 --> 01:09:26,299
like the British equivalent of Fort

1687
01:09:29,860 --> 01:09:27,980
Dietrich it's where British

1688
01:09:32,650 --> 01:09:29,870
government's undertake to research into

1689
01:09:34,809 --> 01:09:32,660
things like exotic viruses biological

1690
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:34,819
warfare bacteriological warfare all that

1691
01:09:36,820 --> 01:09:35,600
kind of thing

1692
01:09:38,559 --> 01:09:36,830
and if ever there's going to be a real

1693
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:38,569
zombie virus in the UK or probably

1694
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:40,850
practically important down but in other

1695
01:09:45,579 --> 01:09:42,859
words the people aborting down their job

1696
01:09:47,860 --> 01:09:45,589
he's focusing on fire all outbreaks and

1697
01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:47,870
things like this the story that Georgina

1698
01:09:52,210 --> 01:09:49,880
brownie uncovered from a person who had

1699
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:52,220
a background in the field of biological

1700
01:09:56,979 --> 01:09:54,770
warfare was that the particular team

1701
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:56,989
that came out to Rendlesham forest worth

1702
01:10:00,820 --> 01:09:58,760
important down and they supposedly had

1703
01:10:03,610 --> 01:10:00,830
he headed out into the woods in hazmat

1704
01:10:05,740 --> 01:10:03,620
suits and and brought something back in

1705
01:10:09,190 --> 01:10:05,750
a sealed metallic container which was

1706
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:09,200
reportedly taken supporting down so my

1707
01:10:12,910 --> 01:10:11,210
view is that the very fact that it

1708
01:10:13,930 --> 01:10:12,920
wasn't just like a military unit with

1709
01:10:16,540 --> 01:10:13,940
that went in there because like a

1710
01:10:18,930 --> 01:10:16,550
complete hazmat team from a place a

1711
01:10:21,550 --> 01:10:18,940
super-secret installation involved in

1712
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:21,560
viruses and biological warfare this

1713
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:23,810
leads me to believe that maybe that was

1714
01:10:27,610 --> 01:10:26,090
the prime hazard that the military of

1715
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:27,620
the government was worried about and

1716
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:30,110
that may well have warranted you know

1717
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:32,000
the evacuation of not just the prisons

1718
01:10:36,460 --> 01:10:34,010
but the people in all the local villages

1719
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:36,470
in the area you know there was a fear of

1720
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:39,170
something breaking out in the area you

1721
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:41,150
know a disease and rampant virus or

1722
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:43,640
whatever that to me when you put the

1723
01:10:48,670 --> 01:10:45,830
important and story together with the

1724
01:10:50,890 --> 01:10:48,680
prison evacuation stories that to me

1725
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:50,900
then starts to make a bit of sense maybe

1726
01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:53,210
that would indicate some sort of

1727
01:10:57,520 --> 01:10:55,400
pathogen or something and possibly might

1728
01:11:00,610 --> 01:10:57,530
tie into Penniston and Burroughs claims

1729
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:00,620
of health problems thing I mean it's one

1730
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:02,210
thing for us to have to deal with

1731
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:05,090
terrestrial pathogens or pandemics you

1732
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:06,170
know if you start bringing

1733
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:08,170
extraterrestrial ones into the mix and

1734
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:10,280
involving viruses that we don't even

1735
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:12,650
understand even if it was just like a

1736
01:11:16,330 --> 01:11:14,690
theoretical fear well you could

1737
01:11:18,670 --> 01:11:16,340
understand why they may have sort of

1738
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:18,680
jumped to the idea that this has got to

1739
01:11:22,540 --> 01:11:20,330
be contained and just prepare for

1740
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:22,550
evacuation now of course that didn't

1741
01:11:26,770 --> 01:11:24,860
actually happen so maybe somebody was

1742
01:11:28,690 --> 01:11:26,780
just sort of overcompensating for what

1743
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:28,700
they thought could happen but you know

1744
01:11:32,590 --> 01:11:30,290
it's kind of intriguing why they thought

1745
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:32,600
they should even need to evacuate in the

1746
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:34,370
first place as if maybe their prior

1747
01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:36,830
experience of possibly dealing with

1748
01:11:41,020 --> 01:11:39,140
something like an alien virus maybe well

1749
01:11:44,350 --> 01:11:41,030
the one thing that makes the Rendlesham

1750
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,360
case so interesting is the coming

1751
01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:45,920
forward of the deputy base commander

1752
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:47,780
Charles Hall - we've had on the show

1753
01:11:52,030 --> 01:11:50,570
some months back with Leslie Kean and we

1754
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:52,040
do have a certain amount of

1755
01:11:57,220 --> 01:11:54,770
documentation that suggested something -

1756
01:12:01,090 --> 01:11:57,230
indeed did go on there how does this tie

1757
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:01,100
in to the missing document scenario what

1758
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:03,650
documents are missing in the fact that

1759
01:12:08,290 --> 01:12:05,270
they're not there what what does that

1760
01:12:12,100 --> 01:12:08,300
tell us very very similar to the Roswell

1761
01:12:13,450 --> 01:12:12,110
story for example in May 2011 somebody

1762
01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:13,460
filed afraid of me the information

1763
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:15,650
requests but basically what you know

1764
01:12:19,810 --> 01:12:18,260
where it would reveal all the files or

1765
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:19,820
hopefully would reveal all the files on

1766
01:12:25,090 --> 01:12:22,370
the Rendlesham case it actually didn't a

1767
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:25,100
number of documents surfaced but one of

1768
01:12:29,620 --> 01:12:26,870
those documents was the Defense

1769
01:12:32,140 --> 01:12:29,630
Intelligence documents but actually

1770
01:12:34,930 --> 01:12:32,150
noted that there seemed to be a huge gap

1771
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:34,940
in the defense intelligence files from

1772
01:12:39,370 --> 01:12:37,070
the period in which the Rendlesham case

1773
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:39,380
occurred I'll just actually read to you

1774
01:12:43,810 --> 01:12:41,570
this is a direct quote from the British

1775
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:43,820
defense intelligence files that talk

1776
01:12:48,970 --> 01:12:46,490
about the Rendlesham case and it refers

1777
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:48,980
to quote a deliberate attempt had been

1778
01:12:53,860 --> 01:12:51,800
made to eradicate the records covering

1779
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:53,870
this incident that that was actually a

1780
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,800
quote from an official documents where

1781
01:13:01,090 --> 01:12:59,120
within the defense intelligence world

1782
01:13:03,190 --> 01:13:01,100
people were saying you know why is there

1783
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,200
a wider such as a massive amount of

1784
01:13:07,540 --> 01:13:05,360
documentation missing why is this huge

1785
01:13:09,940 --> 01:13:07,550
gaping hole and this statement was made

1786
01:13:11,710 --> 01:13:09,950
in response well you know maybe somebody

1787
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:11,720
here in the mo DS trying to eradicate

1788
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:12,770
the story

1789
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,630
this wasn't speculation on the part of

1790
01:13:19,210 --> 01:13:16,880
UFO researchers this was kind of like

1791
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:19,220
you know imagine if we're sitting in the

1792
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,290
defense intelligence community talking

1793
01:13:25,180 --> 01:13:23,360
about these files and thinking well hang

1794
01:13:27,010 --> 01:13:25,190
on where they gone that's what this

1795
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:27,020
these documents were so in other words

1796
01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:30,050
even on the inside you had people saying

1797
01:13:34,150 --> 01:13:32,210
where the hell are these documents that

1798
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:34,160
people are asking about and why can't we

1799
01:13:37,870 --> 01:13:35,810
find them and one of the guys said well

1800
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:37,880
you know maybe somebody's trying to

1801
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:39,650
eradicate history regarding what

1802
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:41,600
happened and those files of surface

1803
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:43,970
concerning that conversation which again

1804
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:46,730
demonstrates the apparent ease with

1805
01:13:51,940 --> 01:13:49,610
which somehow somebody or some powerful

1806
01:13:53,980 --> 01:13:51,950
agency can just swiftly move in with

1807
01:13:54,889 --> 01:13:53,990
these UFO incidents and just take

1808
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:54,899
whatever they want

1809
01:14:00,020 --> 01:13:57,659
from under the noses of presumably you

1810
01:14:02,419 --> 01:14:00,030
know the senior defense staff etc and

1811
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:02,429
it's kind of really parallel to stuff

1812
01:14:07,129 --> 01:14:04,369
with what we know that Roswell in 47

1813
01:14:09,739 --> 01:14:07,139
this brings me to a question by one of

1814
01:14:12,020 --> 01:14:09,749
our listeners will Wade Ridsdale who

1815
01:14:13,909 --> 01:14:12,030
just passed the two thousand post mark

1816
01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:13,919
and is one of our two thousand poster

1817
01:14:16,969 --> 01:14:14,729
Club members

1818
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:16,979
he asks on your past appearances on the

1819
01:14:21,229 --> 01:14:19,050
podcast and elsewhere you have talked

1820
01:14:22,850 --> 01:14:21,239
about the trove of information you've

1821
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:22,860
gotten ahold of via Freedom of

1822
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:25,289
Information Act requests it seems to me

1823
01:14:29,569 --> 01:14:27,090
in order to have any success in getting

1824
01:14:31,459 --> 01:14:29,579
info on a particular case one mass must

1825
01:14:34,459 --> 01:14:31,469
have so much information about that case

1826
01:14:36,229 --> 01:14:34,469
that the request is almost superfluous I

1827
01:14:37,879 --> 01:14:36,239
think is the word at any rate which

1828
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:37,889
could you list a number of essential

1829
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,050
items one would need to include to come

1830
01:14:48,589 --> 01:14:42,659
up with a as he puts a bitchen foi a

1831
01:14:50,449 --> 01:14:48,599
request to do that because I mean for

1832
01:14:52,759 --> 01:14:50,459
example are you wanting to get hold of

1833
01:14:54,319 --> 01:14:52,769
the FBI's files on Marilyn Monroe well

1834
01:14:56,449 --> 01:14:54,329
everybody knows in Marilyn Monroe is

1835
01:14:59,000 --> 01:14:56,459
she's dead where everybody knows the

1836
01:15:00,979 --> 01:14:59,010
government watched her so the FBI has

1837
01:15:02,540 --> 01:15:00,989
released its files on her you know you

1838
01:15:04,399 --> 01:15:02,550
can actually download them from the

1839
01:15:06,319 --> 01:15:04,409
FBI's website if he's still wanting to

1840
01:15:08,569 --> 01:15:06,329
waste time and a letter and a stamp you

1841
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:08,579
can send a letter into the FBI and say

1842
01:15:13,159 --> 01:15:11,249
please send me or Marilyn Monroe as the

1843
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:13,169
AI files which have been Declassified

1844
01:15:17,089 --> 01:15:15,449
because everybody knows she's dead and

1845
01:15:19,489 --> 01:15:17,099
who she is and she's new historical

1846
01:15:21,109 --> 01:15:19,499
figure doesn't take any time to search

1847
01:15:23,540 --> 01:15:21,119
for the records and and he doesn't

1848
01:15:25,069 --> 01:15:23,550
require the requester to provide any

1849
01:15:26,899 --> 01:15:25,079
background information you know it's

1850
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,909
like asking for files on Elvis Presley

1851
01:15:31,489 --> 01:15:29,280
everybody knows who he is but if you're

1852
01:15:33,919 --> 01:15:31,499
locking into something like a relatively

1853
01:15:35,089 --> 01:15:33,929
unknown UFO event somebody's told you

1854
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:35,099
about it and you want to say to one

1855
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:36,780
particular military agency has anything

1856
01:15:42,799 --> 01:15:39,449
on it you have to be pretty specific in

1857
01:15:45,139 --> 01:15:42,809
terms of providing the date a specific

1858
01:15:48,229 --> 01:15:45,149
base the location the time the

1859
01:15:50,449 --> 01:15:48,239
background data which particular agency

1860
01:15:52,669 --> 01:15:50,459
or arm of that base or wherever it was

1861
01:15:55,459 --> 01:15:52,679
in question that was involved and the

1862
01:15:57,799 --> 01:15:55,469
time period you also have to confirm

1863
01:15:59,379 --> 01:15:57,809
that you're willing to pay a rare search

1864
01:16:01,069 --> 01:15:59,389
and reproduction fees if applicable

1865
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:01,079
providing you know they give you

1866
01:16:05,270 --> 01:16:03,570
advanced warning of what the relevant

1867
01:16:06,770 --> 01:16:05,280
figure might actually turn out to be so

1868
01:16:08,629 --> 01:16:06,780
you can have the choice of going ahead

1869
01:16:09,859 --> 01:16:08,639
or not and it's kind of like

1870
01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,869
if you're filing a Freedom of

1871
01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:11,940
Information request on a person

1872
01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:13,560
mentioned like Marilyn Monroe and Elvis

1873
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:15,960
Presley well if say for example your

1874
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:18,239
next-door neighbor told you the great

1875
01:16:20,899 --> 01:16:19,050
grandfather

1876
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:20,909
leftenant Colonel John Smith was

1877
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:23,670
involved in a significant UFO crash and

1878
01:16:27,859 --> 01:16:25,770
recovery and he was the autopsy guy

1879
01:16:30,500 --> 01:16:27,869
after a few minutes we'll be back with

1880
01:16:39,979 --> 01:16:30,510
more with Nick Redfern and gene and

1881
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hi my name is Richard Dolan you're

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listening to the para cast

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I think we've been invaded by the Daleks

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I thought for a second he would say

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exterminate

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you old Oktar who fan no I don't

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like sci-fi like horror but I've never

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watched doctor at all since I was like

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10 I don't like stuff like Star Trek and

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Star Wars it just kind of bores me but I

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like horror the more graphic the better

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but not sci-fi it seems though that so

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many of the things you're right about

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could have a sci-fi aspect to them well

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that's kind of weird people have to say

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that because I wrote about UFOs aliens

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out of space TIFF I guess but you know

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they aren't the whole thing of stuff

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like Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars

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and people running around in silver

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suits and firing laser guns it just it

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bores me just don't interest me

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zombie stuff or werewolves or gothic

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horror stuff you know that's kind of my

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thinking yes the guys think Nick Redfern

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has joined us you want to pick up on any

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of the stuff we were talking about at

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the end of our last segment before we

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move on yes sure I mean this point about

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Freedom of Information requests you know

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if you're going to apply for a request

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for a specific person a lot of people

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don't realize that you either have to

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get their Commission if they're living

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or if they're dead then you have to

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provide the relevant agency significant

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background information for example you

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know if your next-door neighbor said

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that their grandfather John Smith was in

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the military worked on an alien autopsy

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to access John Smith's files or project

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files

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you'd have to provide proof that John

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Smith lived but he was in the military

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and that he's now dead to avoid any

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personal privacy violations so that can

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be sometimes difficult you know just

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because you've got a person's name and

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can prove you know the family will tell

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you they worked at this particular base

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if you think that might be an FBI file

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on this person you've got to prove who

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they are and find a death certificates

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or proof of death like in the bittern

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and 1950s newspaper or whatever so it

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can be kind of taxing you know that's

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not basically that's good not anything

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to be conspiracies as such that's just

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personal privacy protection in the event

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that the person you're looking for he's

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actually still alive and I know what you

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knocking on their front door or whatever

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you know so what do you do

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to get the affidavit and submit it with

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this request on your person

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yes you have to provide the the death

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certificate or an obituary and then say

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you know you're looking for files on

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this person they were at this particular

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base in this period and then you know a

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search can be initiated but you it's not

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enough just to say I want your files on

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1950s contactees you know they'll say

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mother's tell you to go away because

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it's just not sort of definable in terms

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of scope only the NSA gets that

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information you mentioned Marilyn Monroe

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and during your talk you came up with a

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very intriguing twist to the rumor that

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kind of surfaced I think back in the 90s

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that somehow JFK had confided in

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Maryland about some sort of crash craft

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and seeing bodies and you kind of took

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the the paradigm symposium audience

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through through the process of finding a

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pretty interesting letter that may have

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something to do with those rumors that

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surfaced about her yeah as I mentioned

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earlier or just now the FBI has

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Declassified its surveillance file on

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Marilyn Monroe which runs to about 80 or

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90 pages and it covers the mid-1950s

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actually right through to the 1970s sort

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of more than a decade you know after she

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died what's interesting is that several

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of the early documents which back from

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the fifties prepared by the FBI were

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forwarded to the CIA and actually have

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the direct to the CIA on the

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distribution list watching that each not

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a distribution list it's just

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specifically for the director which is

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the memo series of memos at the FBI sent

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to the director at the time now the

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01:25:05,619 --> 01:25:03,889
FBI's records of Marilyn Monroe can all

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be found at its website the vault and

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01:25:10,389 --> 01:25:07,759
you can download them all in PDF format

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01:25:12,489 --> 01:25:10,399
and you know read what J over know about

2097
01:25:15,309 --> 01:25:12,499
Marilyn Monroe but if you approach the

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CIA their official stance is that they

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01:25:20,559 --> 01:25:17,899
have no records at all I'm Marilyn

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01:25:23,469 --> 01:25:20,569
Monroe in any way shape or form even to

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01:25:27,339 --> 01:25:23,479
a minor degree and but what's baffling

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is number one Billy the FBI files that

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we know the FBI shared with the CIA

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01:25:33,850 --> 01:25:31,249
because they're online at the FBI's

2105
01:25:36,189 --> 01:25:33,860
website we may forwarded them to the CIA

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they can't even find those documents the

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01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:39,050
very fact that Marilyn Monroe had secret

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01:25:45,100 --> 01:25:42,050
Affairs who both JFK and RFK he's a

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01:25:46,780 --> 01:25:45,110
strong indication that surely the CIA

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01:25:49,390 --> 01:25:46,790
would have been watching her for that

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01:25:51,310 --> 01:25:49,400
reason alone and the fact that she was

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married to Arthur Miller you know a

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shifty lefty and he you know he was

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01:25:58,770 --> 01:25:56,480
watched we know he was watch because he

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worked with an organization a book

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01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:00,980
organization called Penn which was

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01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:03,590
implicated by the intelligence community

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01:26:08,140 --> 01:26:06,320
so again anything conceivable that there

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shouldn't be files when they're all

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these different tangents surrounding

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01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:12,290
Marilyn Monroe now restoring its

2122
01:26:18,430 --> 01:26:16,040
controversial because in 1995 an author

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01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:18,440
named Milo Sprague Leo who written three

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01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:21,199
books on be sort of conspiracy theory

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01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:24,170
surrounding Marilyn Monroe's death he

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surfaced with a document that claimed to

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be a CIA document but talked about how

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supposedly you know that he liked a

2129
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successful attempt to lure Marilyn

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Monroe into bed but JFK had sort of

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tried to impress her by telling all

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these different secrets about plans to

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invade Cuba relationship with the

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Russians and also about the trip he

2135
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supposedly made to what was described as

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a secret Air Force Base to see things

2137
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from space now B this particular

2138
01:26:58,300 --> 01:26:56,900
document is a highly controversial one

2139
01:27:00,609 --> 01:26:58,310
because he didn't surface through the

2140
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:00,619
Freedom of Information Act if it's real

2141
01:27:05,080 --> 01:27:02,449
for all intents and purposes it was like

2142
01:27:07,270 --> 01:27:05,090
a leaked document now the official story

2143
01:27:09,340 --> 01:27:07,280
on the part of the CIA and everybody

2144
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:09,350
every agency that's been approached is

2145
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that they don't believe the documents to

2146
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:14,510
be legitimate and the UFO communities

2147
01:27:19,510 --> 01:27:16,880
actually made a lot of misconceptions

2148
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:19,520
about the document they claim that it

2149
01:27:25,540 --> 01:27:22,880
says that the JFK told Marilyn Monroe

2150
01:27:28,510 --> 01:27:25,550
but he seen the bodies and the craft

2151
01:27:29,979 --> 01:27:28,520
from the Roswell events at area 51 he

2152
01:27:32,379 --> 01:27:29,989
doesn't say anything about it that at

2153
01:27:33,310 --> 01:27:32,389
all the document doesn't mention UFOs in

2154
01:27:35,620 --> 01:27:33,320
the slightest

2155
01:27:37,390 --> 01:27:35,630
it doesn't even mention aliens dead or

2156
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:37,400
living in the slightest and it doesn't

2157
01:27:43,030 --> 01:27:40,010
even refer to area 51 what it actually

2158
01:27:45,850 --> 01:27:43,040
says is the president was supposedly

2159
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:45,860
taken to a secret base to view bodies

2160
01:27:51,010 --> 01:27:47,810
and spacecraft

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01:27:53,170 --> 01:27:51,020
and that's it now my view is that the

2162
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:53,180
documents intriguing because if this was

2163
01:27:58,300 --> 01:27:55,730
just sort of an outrageous hoax on the

2164
01:28:00,250 --> 01:27:58,310
UFO community why just talk about

2165
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:00,260
crashed spacecraft why not talk about

2166
01:28:05,260 --> 01:28:03,290
crashed alien spacecraft why not talk

2167
01:28:07,480 --> 01:28:05,270
about alien bodies instead of just dead

2168
01:28:09,250 --> 01:28:07,490
bodies now the reason I mention this is

2169
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because at the top of the document it

2170
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refers to something called moondust

2171
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Buddhist was actually a year a real UF

2172
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:17,570
US Air Force project designed to recover

2173
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:21,530
crashed Soviet spacecraft and satellites

2174
01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:25,010
and it also talks about how in the event

2175
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the story got out who would embarrass

2176
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:29,180
NASA's plans to put men on the moon well

2177
01:28:34,450 --> 01:28:32,510
as I point out in the book if the US

2178
01:28:36,820 --> 01:28:34,460
government had a crashed UFO how would

2179
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:36,830
that embarrass NASA's plans to look men

2180
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:38,090
on the moon that doesn't make sense

2181
01:28:42,370 --> 01:28:40,730
but if what Kennedy saw would be the

2182
01:28:45,250 --> 01:28:42,380
crashed spacecraft of the bodies was

2183
01:28:48,190 --> 01:28:45,260
evidence of some very early Soviet space

2184
01:28:51,130 --> 01:28:48,200
program beyond that began possibly in

2185
01:28:53,230 --> 01:28:51,140
before Yuri Gagarin then that would

2186
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:53,240
embarrass the plans to put men on the

2187
01:28:57,460 --> 01:28:55,610
moon so in other words this kind of adds

2188
01:29:00,700 --> 01:28:57,470
legitimacy to the document because it

2189
01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:00,710
isn't over reinforcing the UFO angle

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01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:02,930
which I think a hoaxer would have been

2191
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more explicit than would have insurgent

2192
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:07,520
words like Roswell or alien but keeping

2193
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it sort of hazy in terms of what the

2194
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bodies were Mothercraft was he's almost

2195
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:13,580
like a if it's a hoax YouTube's a subtle

2196
01:29:17,410 --> 01:29:14,960
one but for me it's almost like a

2197
01:29:19,210 --> 01:29:17,420
pointer to it being genuine you know but

2198
01:29:21,190 --> 01:29:19,220
he also talks about her Marilyn Monroe

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I've been told this story and the CIA

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got a wiretap that setter and she was

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threatening to go public with it and the

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documents actually dated like 48 hours

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01:29:31,210 --> 01:29:29,390
before she was found dead

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01:29:33,670 --> 01:29:31,220
would she have any guilty knowledge of

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anything that Kennedy was working on

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with a security angle as this you know

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pillow talk whatever yeah we can say

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that because she was actually an avid

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keeper of Diaries and she had what

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became known as a diary of Secrets which

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was the one more than any other that was

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filled with all this information that

2213
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:53,660
Kennedy had given to her and a number of

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people claimed to have seen this diary

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01:30:01,660 --> 01:29:59,660
so like a large red colored book it

2216
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:01,670
reportedly vanished from the car

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01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:03,890
owners office after she was found dead

2218
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:06,170
in August 62 and all you know various

2219
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:08,570
possessions whatever were taken to there

2220
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:10,850
and somehow it vanished from the

2221
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:11,840
coroner's office

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01:30:17,620 --> 01:30:14,030
now I forget how long ago that was you

2223
01:30:20,140 --> 01:30:17,630
know we're talking about 1962 yeah and I

2224
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for a moment had forgotten what it

2225
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really was or how long ago it was

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because we keep talking about her we'll

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get into more of this in a moment we

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have Nick Redfern joining gian and Chris

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you're listening to the podcast

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[Music]

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you know when we talk about Marilyn

2338
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:10,200
Monroe and her death and we talk about

2339
01:35:15,290 --> 01:35:13,050
for example the Roswell case we talk

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about the Kennedy assassination we're

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talking about events there are 50 and 60

2342
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:20,640
or more years old each and history it is

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01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:24,330
ancient history and you wonder well can

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01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:25,860
we ever get to the present or are these

2345
01:35:30,230 --> 01:35:27,630
mystery is going to always consume us

2346
01:35:32,630 --> 01:35:30,240
now we only have a few segments left

2347
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,640
that's how fast this show has gone but

2348
01:35:37,430 --> 01:35:34,560
suddenly I wake up and we're almost 2/3

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01:35:40,220 --> 01:35:37,440
into it so Nick Redfern let's move since

2350
01:35:42,140 --> 01:35:40,230
we're into Kennedy are there missing

2351
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:42,150
documents about the Kennedy

2352
01:35:46,100 --> 01:35:44,010
assassination that are significant it

2353
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:46,110
appears there are not to mention the

2354
01:35:50,510 --> 01:35:47,570
documents that are still being hidden

2355
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:50,520
yeah I mean this is this sort of gets

2356
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into areas where there's a great deal of

2357
01:35:58,610 --> 01:35:56,160
misconception for example in the 1990s

2358
01:36:02,000 --> 01:35:58,620
and largely as a result of the publicity

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given to Oliver Stone's movie JFK there

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was this push to have the government

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01:36:10,150 --> 01:36:07,490
reveal or release all the relevant

2362
01:36:12,380 --> 01:36:10,160
documentation on the Kennedy affair and

2363
01:36:14,690 --> 01:36:12,390
actually hundreds and hundreds of

2364
01:36:18,430 --> 01:36:14,700
thousands of pages were Declassified

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01:36:21,230 --> 01:36:18,440
that previously had been classified and

2366
01:36:23,330 --> 01:36:21,240
they certainly you know massively added

2367
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to the wealth of material but obviously

2368
01:36:27,770 --> 01:36:25,560
there was no sort of smoking gun or

2369
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anything like that but what a lot of

2370
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:30,120
people don't realize and and the

2371
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:32,490
skeptics of course point out that well

2372
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there couldn't be being a conspiracy

2373
01:36:37,580 --> 01:36:35,940
because all these files are now

2374
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surfacing you know so if there was a

2375
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conspiracy

2376
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why release the files but what a lot of

2377
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people don't realize is the decades

2378
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before literally decades before the

2379
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Oliver Stone movie was even made a

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significant number of files on the

2381
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Kennedy assassination were shredded and

2382
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destroyed and we can prove that one of

2383
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them and this sort of is sort of really

2384
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intriguing is Lee Harvey Oswald's Army

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01:37:08,660 --> 01:37:05,030
Intelligence file that was destroyed in

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1973 and we have the official record to

2387
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that effect now what that file would

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have told us you know we just don't know

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but

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the Department of Defense has gone on

2391
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record as stating that the fire was

2392
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noted for shredding on March the 1st

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1973 but he hasn't been possible to

2394
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determine who placed the order for

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destruction who actually carried out the

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order for destruction or where even the

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destruction occurred other than the fact

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that it did occur so and this is just

2399
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one example I mean I point out numerous

2400
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others where you know documents that

2401
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:45,829
could possibly have given us some

2402
01:37:51,129 --> 01:37:49,010
insights meaningful anxiety into the

2403
01:37:53,620 --> 01:37:51,139
assassination you know it doesn't

2404
01:37:56,919 --> 01:37:53,630
necessarily matter today what surfaces

2405
01:38:00,640 --> 01:37:56,929
if the really good and relevant material

2406
01:38:02,709 --> 01:38:00,650
was destroyed 20 30 40 years ago that

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the problem we face when it comes to the

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past and the Kennedy assassination now

2409
01:38:11,290 --> 01:38:09,530
today the situation is pretty much the

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same explain to you what I mean by that

2411
01:38:17,500 --> 01:38:14,179
the CIA currently is withholding in

2412
01:38:19,089 --> 01:38:17,510
excess of 1,000 documents on the JFK

2413
01:38:21,580 --> 01:38:19,099
assassination and we don't know how

2414
01:38:23,950 --> 01:38:21,590
extensive in terms of page count each of

2415
01:38:27,879 --> 01:38:23,960
those documents is but it's recommend

2416
01:38:30,569 --> 01:38:27,889
it's sort of estimated that currently

2417
01:38:34,540 --> 01:38:30,579
there are around about 5 million pages

2418
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:34,550
outside of the the public arena on the

2419
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:35,780
Kennedy assassination

2420
01:38:41,950 --> 01:38:39,650
excuse me around 50,000 pages of 5

2421
01:38:45,250 --> 01:38:41,960
million pages in total that have been

2422
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,260
Declassified but 50,000 alone you know

2423
01:38:48,669 --> 01:38:47,360
is a tremendous amount and because so

2424
01:38:50,919 --> 01:38:48,679
many of those are still highly

2425
01:38:52,990 --> 01:38:50,929
classified again we don't know what they

2426
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:53,000
contain and so it's pretty much a

2427
01:38:58,000 --> 01:38:55,130
misconception that all the files have

2428
01:39:01,209 --> 01:38:58,010
been Declassified you know 50,000 ercell

2429
01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:01,219
remain classified and we have no real

2430
01:39:05,589 --> 01:39:03,170
idea at all how many might have been

2431
01:39:07,660 --> 01:39:05,599
destroyed like Oswald's file back in the

2432
01:39:09,819 --> 01:39:07,670
70s or the sixties or the eighties you

2433
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:09,829
know it's just he thing conceivable to

2434
01:39:13,750 --> 01:39:11,690
try and even come up with a figure I

2435
01:39:15,009 --> 01:39:13,760
mean it could be it could be a couple of

2436
01:39:16,810 --> 01:39:15,019
hundred documents in a worst case

2437
01:39:18,310 --> 01:39:16,820
scenario it could have been you know

2438
01:39:20,259 --> 01:39:18,320
hundreds and hundreds of thousands of

2439
01:39:23,169 --> 01:39:20,269
pages but the important thing is we can

2440
01:39:24,850 --> 01:39:23,179
prove that things like Oswald's Army

2441
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,860
Intelligence file was destroyed you know

2442
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,719
that's not a matter of conspiracy

2443
01:39:29,290 --> 01:39:28,639
theorizing or whatever that's a proven

2444
01:39:32,859 --> 01:39:29,300
fact

2445
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,869
well that's 50,000 documents that's

2446
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:35,119
that's a lot of paper they're probably

2447
01:39:40,299 --> 01:39:37,449
waiting for all the guilty parties to

2448
01:39:42,430 --> 01:39:40,309
depart and they're gonna release stuff

2449
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:42,440
that'll you know maybe implicate certain

2450
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:44,090
people that have been long long since

2451
01:39:49,359 --> 01:39:46,730
passed away I think it's kind of like

2452
01:39:51,160 --> 01:39:49,369
Roswell der if ever was in the know

2453
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:51,170
about the Roswell ask you about the

2454
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:52,730
Kennedy assassination the number of

2455
01:39:57,459 --> 01:39:56,510
people was probably very very small you

2456
01:39:59,410 --> 01:39:57,469
know I don't think we're ever gonna find

2457
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:59,420
the documents because I don't believe it

2458
01:40:03,339 --> 01:40:00,800
ever existed that says something like

2459
01:40:05,470 --> 01:40:03,349
please send a team of snipers to Daley

2460
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,480
Plaza to seal the president you know be

2461
01:40:10,359 --> 01:40:07,760
ridiculous to even imagine that would be

2462
01:40:11,709 --> 01:40:10,369
put into on to paid but you know he

2463
01:40:14,319 --> 01:40:11,719
wouldn't it would be just sort of

2464
01:40:16,180 --> 01:40:14,329
oblique conversations where nothing

2465
01:40:19,959 --> 01:40:16,190
could be confirmed if it was overheard

2466
01:40:21,339 --> 01:40:19,969
you know and that's why I think you know

2467
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:21,349
that the real proof

2468
01:40:25,089 --> 01:40:23,449
has never been committed to paper you

2469
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:25,099
know that's why we only ever get the

2470
01:40:28,419 --> 01:40:26,719
surrounding stuff because nobody would

2471
01:40:30,069 --> 01:40:28,429
be so stupid as to put anything like

2472
01:40:32,740 --> 01:40:30,079
that in print you know well

2473
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:32,750
we're approaching uh very rapidly the

2474
01:40:39,939 --> 01:40:36,190
50th anniversary of the Dealey Plaza

2475
01:40:43,030 --> 01:40:39,949
event and uh it still fascinates people

2476
01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:43,040
I mean you still see you know fairly

2477
01:40:47,229 --> 01:40:46,130
regularly new insights and a new book

2478
01:40:49,390 --> 01:40:47,239
will come out about the Kennedy

2479
01:40:52,359 --> 01:40:49,400
assassination it's it's just I think

2480
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:52,369
it's it's almost as as much a paranormal

2481
01:40:56,530 --> 01:40:55,010
event to something like Roswell the way

2482
01:40:59,140 --> 01:40:56,540
the mythology has grown around it

2483
01:41:01,270 --> 01:40:59,150
speaking of mythology we have a question

2484
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:01,280
here from one of our newest posters obey

2485
01:41:07,629 --> 01:41:04,400
and and you must obey when you listen to

2486
01:41:10,780 --> 01:41:07,639
him yeah okay we must yeah yes that is

2487
01:41:14,680 --> 01:41:10,790
so easy a pun a cute picture of a doggy

2488
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:14,690
in a hoodie as his avatar he says I as I

2489
01:41:18,910 --> 01:41:16,880
have seen him appear on ancient aliens a

2490
01:41:20,799 --> 01:41:18,920
few times how much does he personally

2491
01:41:22,810 --> 01:41:20,809
believe in the ancient astronaut theory

2492
01:41:24,549 --> 01:41:22,820
there's a good one for you Nick well I

2493
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:24,559
mean I believe it to the extent that I

2494
01:41:30,370 --> 01:41:27,760
think there is significant evidence that

2495
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:30,380
there was interaction between sort of

2496
01:41:35,589 --> 01:41:32,690
ancient people and and more advanced

2497
01:41:38,649 --> 01:41:35,599
people now the problem is of course when

2498
01:41:40,540 --> 01:41:38,659
you do any TV show you don't know how

2499
01:41:42,129 --> 01:41:40,550
much of what you say gonna appear in the

2500
01:41:42,939 --> 01:41:42,139
relevant show but I always point out

2501
01:41:47,560 --> 01:41:42,949
that

2502
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,570
evidence of highly-advanced interaction

2503
01:41:52,569 --> 01:41:49,760
between us and somebody else in the past

2504
01:41:54,879 --> 01:41:52,579
I still believe it could go two ways one

2505
01:41:56,859 --> 01:41:54,889
could be the ancient alien angle you

2506
01:41:59,229 --> 01:41:56,869
know injured astronauts the other one

2507
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:59,239
could be the sort of intriguing idea

2508
01:42:03,310 --> 01:42:01,280
that possibly in certain parts of the

2509
01:42:06,189 --> 01:42:03,320
world thousands of years ago there are

2510
01:42:09,339 --> 01:42:06,199
isolated pockets and societies that were

2511
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:09,349
far more advanced than others and maybe

2512
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:11,420
some of those became perceived as sort

2513
01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:13,010
of the Gods coming down from the skies

2514
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:15,289
but when in fact they were just you know

2515
01:42:19,689 --> 01:42:17,690
far more advanced country or whatever

2516
01:42:21,310 --> 01:42:19,699
but obliterated itself or got

2517
01:42:23,620 --> 01:42:21,320
obliterated you know we hear a lot of

2518
01:42:26,169 --> 01:42:23,630
these stories about but the Mahabharata

2519
01:42:28,660 --> 01:42:26,179
this ancient Indian text supposedly

2520
01:42:30,489 --> 01:42:28,670
talking about ancient warfare in

2521
01:42:33,250 --> 01:42:30,499
northern India you know we have things

2522
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:33,260
like this where that can't people put

2523
01:42:36,939 --> 01:42:35,090
like a UFO spin on it with these so

2524
01:42:39,399 --> 01:42:36,949
called Vimanas these fast flying

2525
01:42:42,370 --> 01:42:39,409
aircraft type beings and atomic warfare

2526
01:42:44,859 --> 01:42:42,380
well maybe that's what it was but maybe

2527
01:42:47,680 --> 01:42:44,869
also it was a localized highly advanced

2528
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,690
civilization of a terrestrial nature

2529
01:42:53,020 --> 01:42:50,239
that wiped itself out so in other words

2530
01:42:55,449 --> 01:42:53,030
I believe there is a an ancient

2531
01:42:57,699 --> 01:42:55,459
astronauts phenomenon but whether it's

2532
01:43:00,520 --> 01:42:57,709
literally extraterrestrial or whether it

2533
01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:00,530
can be applied to a terrestrial body

2534
01:43:05,830 --> 01:43:03,050
that you know has been lost to the fog

2535
01:43:07,330 --> 01:43:05,840
of time I think he could go both ways or

2536
01:43:09,850 --> 01:43:07,340
it could be in be a combination or two

2537
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:09,860
but I really do believe that that's

2538
01:43:13,810 --> 01:43:12,050
something yeah something something

2539
01:43:15,729 --> 01:43:13,820
interacted with the ancients yeah

2540
01:43:18,100 --> 01:43:15,739
advanced technology was around I think

2541
01:43:20,169 --> 01:43:18,110
thousands of years ago that belong to

2542
01:43:21,879 --> 01:43:20,179
someone the big question is it somebody

2543
01:43:23,799 --> 01:43:21,889
from a bear or was it from somebody down

2544
01:43:25,660 --> 01:43:23,809
here you know well here's another one

2545
01:43:26,830 --> 01:43:25,670
from obey and I like this one this is a

2546
01:43:28,750 --> 01:43:26,840
good one you might have a problem

2547
01:43:30,669 --> 01:43:28,760
answering this one Nick I'm not sure

2548
01:43:32,919 --> 01:43:30,679
it's it's a it's a real tough one

2549
01:43:35,469 --> 01:43:32,929
speaking of conspiracy theories I've

2550
01:43:37,899 --> 01:43:35,479
heard rumors of giorgio su closes hair

2551
01:43:40,509 --> 01:43:37,909
requires the use of blood magic to

2552
01:43:42,699 --> 01:43:40,519
maintain its rigidity yeah I seen him

2553
01:43:46,959 --> 01:43:42,709
perform these dark rituals possibly near

2554
01:43:49,180 --> 01:43:46,969
the craft service table good question

2555
01:43:52,290 --> 01:43:49,190
but I only ever met Giorgio once that

2556
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:52,300
was paralyzed symposium last year but

2557
01:43:56,339 --> 01:43:54,650
now a lot of people don't realize that

2558
01:43:58,740 --> 01:43:56,349
you know when you do sort of

2559
01:44:01,649 --> 01:43:58,750
ancient aliens it's not like you're all

2560
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,659
there together you know I mean the

2561
01:44:06,450 --> 01:44:04,239
budget consider I mean I mean I live

2562
01:44:08,609 --> 01:44:06,460
just outside Dallas although not

2563
01:44:10,649 --> 01:44:08,619
exclusively but most of my interviews

2564
01:44:12,899 --> 01:44:10,659
for the show you know I've just gone to

2565
01:44:15,140 --> 01:44:12,909
a local studio and this applies not just

2566
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:15,150
to an area but to all shows

2567
01:44:20,879 --> 01:44:18,489
they just get in like a local hired crew

2568
01:44:22,350 --> 01:44:20,889
they use you know a freelancers and

2569
01:44:23,970 --> 01:44:22,360
they'll just you know I'll just drive 20

2570
01:44:25,709 --> 01:44:23,980
miles or something and we'll do the

2571
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:25,719
shoot at a local studio with a local

2572
01:44:29,939 --> 01:44:28,090
crew then they send the footage along to

2573
01:44:32,669 --> 01:44:29,949
the relevant channel that's hired them

2574
01:44:34,500 --> 01:44:32,679
so and very often you know if say part

2575
01:44:37,530 --> 01:44:34,510
people see me on three or four episodes

2576
01:44:39,180 --> 01:44:37,540
it's not like I'm running around you

2577
01:44:41,010 --> 01:44:39,190
know doing endless film and they you

2578
01:44:41,550 --> 01:44:41,020
know leave you all those episodes in one

2579
01:44:44,490 --> 01:44:41,560
sitting

2580
01:44:46,229 --> 01:44:44,500
yeah or once 18 and so then they they

2581
01:44:48,030 --> 01:44:46,239
splice it where you know five minutes

2582
01:44:49,589 --> 01:44:48,040
will appear on this episode five minutes

2583
01:44:51,959 --> 01:44:49,599
on this one so it might be spread across

2584
01:44:53,609 --> 01:44:51,969
several months you know that's the way

2585
01:44:54,540 --> 01:44:53,619
they do with quiz shows they'll do two

2586
01:44:56,700 --> 01:44:54,550
or three shows a day

2587
01:45:00,240 --> 01:44:56,710
well they might even do a full week's

2588
01:45:02,760 --> 01:45:00,250
taping in a single day and that has to

2589
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:02,770
boggle the mind or as you say even

2590
01:45:08,399 --> 01:45:05,530
whether it's a documentary or a film or

2591
01:45:10,859 --> 01:45:08,409
TV series an actor may come in and do

2592
01:45:13,500 --> 01:45:10,869
his segments and they'll be parceled out

2593
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:13,510
over many episodes but we never do that

2594
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:15,610
with Nick Redfern you get him all at

2595
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:17,770
once when he joins us with gene and

2596
01:45:29,010 --> 01:45:20,970
Chris you're in little burkas

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01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:31,229
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2640
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:03,050
here's Jane Steinberg and I never know

2641
01:48:09,100 --> 01:48:05,810
whether Chris or Nick when Nick Redfern

2642
01:48:12,580 --> 01:48:09,110
is on we'll do our little segue there

2643
01:48:15,070 --> 01:48:12,590
you go the book is called for nobody's

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eyes only missing government files and

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behind the most enduring conspiracy

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01:48:23,080 --> 01:48:21,590
theories and we've got a bunch of

2648
01:48:24,880 --> 01:48:23,090
questions from our listeners by the way

2649
01:48:27,100 --> 01:48:24,890
- Nick not all about the book you

2650
01:48:28,870 --> 01:48:27,110
understand but all fascinating Chris you

2651
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:28,880
want to continue with that yeah there's

2652
01:48:33,250 --> 01:48:30,410
one more from obey that I think is a

2653
01:48:36,610 --> 01:48:33,260
good one and I'm interested to hear

2654
01:48:38,229 --> 01:48:36,620
Nick's answer to this you know he says

2655
01:48:40,300 --> 01:48:38,239
I've heard people talk about the current

2656
01:48:43,030 --> 01:48:40,310
popularity of the paranormal in media

2657
01:48:45,850 --> 01:48:43,040
being tied to a long careful plan to

2658
01:48:48,100 --> 01:48:45,860
quote-unquote desensitize the populace

2659
01:48:49,720 --> 01:48:48,110
to the idea of aliens and the like do

2660
01:48:52,060 --> 01:48:49,730
you think there is anything to this

2661
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:52,070
theory and if so who is perpetrating it

2662
01:48:57,490 --> 01:48:55,489
no actually don't in simple terms I

2663
01:48:59,950 --> 01:48:57,500
don't believe there's some sinister hand

2664
01:49:03,790 --> 01:48:59,960
pulling the strings of TV or whatever I

2665
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:03,800
think TV channels Commission shows from

2666
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:07,040
production companies based around what's

2667
01:49:11,500 --> 01:49:08,930
currently popular any given moment

2668
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:11,510
that's what you have a bunch of totally

2669
01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:13,370
ridiculous shows whether one bunch of

2670
01:49:17,740 --> 01:49:15,650
women arguing with each other over lunch

2671
01:49:19,540 --> 01:49:17,750
you know it's too little brains too much

2672
01:49:21,550 --> 01:49:19,550
money to spend and too much time on the

2673
01:49:24,459 --> 01:49:21,560
hand women definitely watch that show I

2674
01:49:26,620 --> 01:49:24,469
have to talk to some women about this my

2675
01:49:28,510 --> 01:49:26,630
wife does not watch that well that's

2676
01:49:31,020 --> 01:49:28,520
good but I mean but on the other hand

2677
01:49:34,270 --> 01:49:31,030
then you have you know endless shows on

2678
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:34,280
you know sort of junk or whatever or

2679
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:35,930
people selling things that kind of

2680
01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:38,810
things then you have the paranormal

2681
01:49:42,490 --> 01:49:40,460
shows you know many of which have

2682
01:49:44,380 --> 01:49:42,500
dominates it just by things like night

2683
01:49:48,580 --> 01:49:44,390
vision and running around in the woods

2684
01:49:50,590 --> 01:49:48,590
in other words TV channels are prompted

2685
01:49:53,830 --> 01:49:50,600
by what's currently in vogue at any

2686
01:49:55,990 --> 01:49:53,840
given time and right now the paranormal

2687
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:56,000
is big news so I don't believe that

2688
01:50:01,930 --> 01:49:58,760
there's any need or requirement

2689
01:50:04,839 --> 01:50:01,940
on any shadowy government part to try

2690
01:50:06,250 --> 01:50:04,849
and you know reinforce this when the TV

2691
01:50:07,629 --> 01:50:06,260
channels are doing themselves because it

2692
01:50:09,819 --> 01:50:07,639
brings in money you know at the end of

2693
01:50:12,669 --> 01:50:09,829
the day you have to remember the TV

2694
01:50:14,439 --> 01:50:12,679
companies channels networks production

2695
01:50:16,899 --> 01:50:14,449
companies they're in the business of

2696
01:50:19,899 --> 01:50:16,909
making money they're not really in the

2697
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:19,909
business of revealing to the world the

2698
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:22,250
truth about UFOs you know next week that

2699
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:24,110
could be reeling the truth about the

2700
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,440
second world war or the truth about you

2701
01:50:32,500 --> 01:50:29,840
know the next or the first manned

2702
01:50:35,709 --> 01:50:32,510
mission to Mars that kind of thing you

2703
01:50:38,290 --> 01:50:35,719
know whatever it's a job for them and

2704
01:50:41,950 --> 01:50:38,300
right now the job that he's popular he's

2705
01:50:44,379 --> 01:50:41,960
making shows on UFOs Bigfoot ghosts

2706
01:50:47,049 --> 01:50:44,389
whatever we have a bunch of questions

2707
01:50:49,779 --> 01:50:47,059
here I'm going to start going through

2708
01:50:51,850 --> 01:50:49,789
them here's one from techno mage T who

2709
01:50:54,310 --> 01:50:51,860
is one of our newest signups at forum

2710
01:50:55,839 --> 01:50:54,320
dr. Peric ascom there's a whole list of

2711
01:50:57,759 --> 01:50:55,849
questions here for you my name's in

2712
01:50:59,529 --> 01:50:57,769
several of them for some reason Chris

2713
01:51:03,399 --> 01:50:59,539
should better stop having your name in

2714
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:03,409
questions please read the question okay

2715
01:51:07,180 --> 01:51:05,449
this is a pretty easy one I think or

2716
01:51:09,580 --> 01:51:07,190
maybe a difficult one who is your

2717
01:51:14,620 --> 01:51:09,590
favorite UFO researcher historian or

2718
01:51:17,370 --> 01:51:14,630
activists and why I'll probably say john

2719
01:51:20,020 --> 01:51:17,380
cale and the reason why is because kale

2720
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:20,030
was someone who thought completely

2721
01:51:22,959 --> 01:51:22,250
outside the box you know in the fifties

2722
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:22,969
and sixties

2723
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:24,880
excuse me sixties and seventies when

2724
01:51:30,850 --> 01:51:28,630
arguably kills work was at its height

2725
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:30,860
you know this was still when the whole

2726
01:51:36,370 --> 01:51:33,170
nuts and bolts angle of ufology was very

2727
01:51:38,439 --> 01:51:36,380
much involved but kale wasn't afraid to

2728
01:51:40,770 --> 01:51:38,449
think totally outside the box and you

2729
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:40,780
know he sort of drew parallels between

2730
01:51:45,850 --> 01:51:43,760
the UFO issue today and paranormal

2731
01:51:48,339 --> 01:51:45,860
activity hundreds of years ago and

2732
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:48,349
folklore mythology this kind of thing

2733
01:51:52,689 --> 01:51:50,510
and you know he sort of recognized

2734
01:51:55,509 --> 01:51:52,699
parallels would be a coal to as well and

2735
01:51:57,220 --> 01:51:55,519
things like this and and when I was a

2736
01:51:59,529 --> 01:51:57,230
kid growing up and started getting into

2737
01:52:02,020 --> 01:51:59,539
the subject that kind of thing appealed

2738
01:52:04,209 --> 01:52:02,030
to me because he was someone who was who

2739
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:04,219
was looking at and looking at issues and

2740
01:52:08,200 --> 01:52:06,050
answering hard questions and asking hard

2741
01:52:09,370 --> 01:52:08,210
questions about things that so many

2742
01:52:12,009 --> 01:52:09,380
other people in the field would be

2743
01:52:12,220 --> 01:52:12,019
wouldn't touch now going to conference

2744
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:12,230
the

2745
01:52:19,660 --> 01:52:16,970
field you know I know more than a few

2746
01:52:21,310 --> 01:52:19,670
people who just kiss-ass because they

2747
01:52:22,810 --> 01:52:21,320
want to stay on the lecture circuit they

2748
01:52:25,630 --> 01:52:22,820
want to keep involved with the right

2749
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:25,640
person and say the right thing so you

2750
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:27,650
know and I've never done I don't

2751
01:52:32,350 --> 01:52:30,410
deliberately go out of my way to write

2752
01:52:35,170 --> 01:52:32,360
about alternative topics but you know I

2753
01:52:37,420 --> 01:52:35,180
find that when I look into things there

2754
01:52:39,250 --> 01:52:37,430
are alternatives and it isn't just nuts

2755
01:52:41,740 --> 01:52:39,260
and bolts craft but you know I don't

2756
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:41,750
care about kissing ass you know I tell

2757
01:52:45,729 --> 01:52:43,370
it as I like to eat and people don't

2758
01:52:47,650 --> 01:52:45,739
like it well that's tough look and kale

2759
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:47,660
did that you know he was someone who

2760
01:52:52,270 --> 01:52:49,370
just basically said well this is what I

2761
01:52:54,090 --> 01:52:52,280
found and the UFO community is up in

2762
01:52:56,590 --> 01:52:54,100
arms because he's not talking about

2763
01:52:58,060 --> 01:52:56,600
alien scientists coming to earth or

2764
01:53:01,450 --> 01:52:58,070
whatever so but that's what I like about

2765
01:53:03,580 --> 01:53:01,460
kale you know he sort of stuck a fork in

2766
01:53:05,979 --> 01:53:03,590
the whale or whatever we need to stick

2767
01:53:08,020 --> 01:53:05,989
more Forks and wheels because that helps

2768
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:08,030
us get answers right now the biggest

2769
01:53:12,310 --> 01:53:09,650
argument I always have with the UFO

2770
01:53:14,620 --> 01:53:12,320
field is that they're just sticking to

2771
01:53:16,420 --> 01:53:14,630
the past the theories of the past they

2772
01:53:19,240 --> 01:53:16,430
don't think behind the box and we go

2773
01:53:22,270 --> 01:53:19,250
nowhere well that's because it's become

2774
01:53:25,630 --> 01:53:22,280
for many people it's just a source of

2775
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:25,640
entertainment when I understand that

2776
01:53:29,670 --> 01:53:27,050
nothing wrong with being entertained by

2777
01:53:31,930 --> 01:53:29,680
it but it should also be a case of

2778
01:53:35,110 --> 01:53:31,940
investigation but so much of it today is

2779
01:53:37,479 --> 01:53:35,120
just about upholding the UFO scene you

2780
01:53:40,990 --> 01:53:37,489
know it's like conference organisers

2781
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:41,000
want to get people on seats magazine

2782
01:53:45,370 --> 01:53:43,130
editors want to try and stay afloat you

2783
01:53:47,320 --> 01:53:45,380
know in the world of the Internet you

2784
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:47,330
know things like these TV companies want

2785
01:53:52,660 --> 01:53:51,050
to grab it while they can and so in

2786
01:53:55,570 --> 01:53:52,670
other words it becomes almost like a

2787
01:53:57,070 --> 01:53:55,580
comfort so you know particularly for

2788
01:53:58,750 --> 01:53:57,080
people being in UFO field for a long

2789
01:54:02,560 --> 01:53:58,760
time it's like a comfort factor we're

2790
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:02,570
all you know bunched together or

2791
01:54:07,150 --> 01:54:05,330
whatever and well now you know be you

2792
01:54:09,790 --> 01:54:07,160
need to do investigations he's no good

2793
01:54:11,830 --> 01:54:09,800
just plain Satan oh yes we've got nice

2794
01:54:14,260 --> 01:54:11,840
monthly meetings as Pleasant we sit down

2795
01:54:16,060 --> 01:54:14,270
and talk about UFO sightings and George

2796
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:16,070
Adamski or what else a bunch of crap I

2797
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:19,730
mean people will be used as a comfort

2798
01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:22,250
factor it should be an investigative

2799
01:54:26,380 --> 01:54:24,410
thing to finance it

2800
01:54:30,040 --> 01:54:26,390
or a new a new system of religious

2801
01:54:31,870 --> 01:54:30,050
belief it becomes like it becomes almost

2802
01:54:34,030 --> 01:54:31,880
like a religion where people believe

2803
01:54:36,790 --> 01:54:34,040
this they believe that and they don't

2804
01:54:38,380 --> 01:54:36,800
want their beliefs changing because the

2805
01:54:40,330 --> 01:54:38,390
current beliefs make them feel

2806
01:54:41,650 --> 01:54:40,340
comfortable well you know you can't go

2807
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:41,660
through life being comfortable and just

2808
01:54:46,300 --> 01:54:43,850
poking your head out the front door now

2809
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:46,310
and again you know you've got a you've

2810
01:54:49,780 --> 01:54:47,930
got to ask all good questions because

2811
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:49,790
they're all good questions that they'd

2812
01:54:54,610 --> 01:54:52,400
ask you know well here's another

2813
01:54:56,290 --> 01:54:54,620
question you've answered is a second

2814
01:54:59,340 --> 01:54:56,300
question about who really influenced

2815
01:55:03,070 --> 01:54:59,350
your thinking and and and I share that

2816
01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:03,080
that answer with you John keel and I do

2817
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:05,810
I mean one of the most important UFO

2818
01:55:09,070 --> 01:55:07,490
books I think everyone interested in

2819
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:09,080
this subject should read is operation

2820
01:55:15,160 --> 01:55:12,800
Trojan horse classic classic book that

2821
01:55:17,410 --> 01:55:15,170
really influenced my thinking here's

2822
01:55:19,030 --> 01:55:17,420
another one do you agree with Chris's

2823
01:55:20,920 --> 01:55:19,040
gut feeling that a large number of

2824
01:55:23,050 --> 01:55:20,930
paranormal events are related to each

2825
01:55:26,800 --> 01:55:23,060
other and that at Rick's Jewish forces

2826
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:26,810
behind them yeah I actually just say

2827
01:55:31,330 --> 01:55:28,520
that Chris happens to be on the other

2828
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:31,340
end of the phone I mean I'm sure Chris

2829
01:55:35,980 --> 01:55:33,290
can appreciate and relate to this as

2830
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:35,990
well I mean a lot of the stuff I do you

2831
01:55:41,590 --> 01:55:38,480
know when it comes to UFOs or Bigfoot or

2832
01:55:43,510 --> 01:55:41,600
Lake Monsters or paranormal stuff one of

2833
01:55:44,950 --> 01:55:43,520
the things I often get when I'm on an

2834
01:55:48,250 --> 01:55:44,960
investigation these are like a lot of

2835
01:55:49,900 --> 01:55:48,260
weird synchronicities like a meaningful

2836
01:55:53,710 --> 01:55:49,910
coincidence that people aren't aware

2837
01:55:55,510 --> 01:55:53,720
what a synchronicity is and when this

2838
01:55:57,460 --> 01:55:55,520
happens time and time again he almost

2839
01:55:58,990 --> 01:55:57,470
uses if somebody's playing with you

2840
01:56:02,080 --> 01:55:59,000
toying with you as if you're in some

2841
01:56:05,590 --> 01:56:02,090
sort of weird matrix like real world

2842
01:56:07,420 --> 01:56:05,600
sort of thing and and I get this a lot

2843
01:56:10,780 --> 01:56:07,430
and it happens to the point where

2844
01:56:12,820 --> 01:56:10,790
clearly is in coincidence and when it's

2845
01:56:15,400 --> 01:56:12,830
across the board like in UFOs in

2846
01:56:16,600 --> 01:56:15,410
cryptozoology and elsewhere that's one

2847
01:56:18,490 --> 01:56:16,610
of the things that lead me to believe

2848
01:56:23,110 --> 01:56:18,500
many of these things are interconnected

2849
01:56:25,300 --> 01:56:23,120
because to otherwise and you know I mean

2850
01:56:27,340 --> 01:56:25,310
for example with my book the real men in

2851
01:56:30,220 --> 01:56:27,350
black I mean I talk in there about how

2852
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:30,230
people had had yeah many black

2853
01:56:35,590 --> 01:56:32,810
visitations after seeing UFOs but they'd

2854
01:56:37,720 --> 01:56:35,600
also had MIB experiences after dabbling

2855
01:56:38,260 --> 01:56:37,730
with Ouija boards or after they seen

2856
01:56:40,750 --> 01:56:38,270
Mothman

2857
01:56:44,290 --> 01:56:40,760
now on the face of it there shouldn't be

2858
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:44,300
any connection between UFOs Mothman and

2859
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:47,360
Ouija boards pop up in all those cases

2860
01:56:51,460 --> 01:56:49,520
so again you know to serve answer the

2861
01:56:53,530 --> 01:56:51,470
question this is another example of how

2862
01:56:55,570 --> 01:56:53,540
all these different phenomena seem to

2863
01:56:57,850 --> 01:56:55,580
cross over so it's things like this you

2864
01:56:59,620 --> 01:56:57,860
know the crossover between the phenomena

2865
01:57:01,270 --> 01:56:59,630
the synchronicity is just the weird

2866
01:57:03,460 --> 01:57:01,280
stuff that happens when you investigate

2867
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:03,470
these things that I don't pretend to

2868
01:57:08,410 --> 01:57:05,450
have the answers to while how it happens

2869
01:57:11,110 --> 01:57:08,420
but clearly there is some sort of weird

2870
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:11,120
trickster manipulation going on weird

2871
01:57:14,650 --> 01:57:13,130
tricksters sort of things are going to

2872
01:57:16,990 --> 01:57:14,660
happen in a moment if we don't do this

2873
01:57:19,120 --> 01:57:17,000
break you like that Chris it's the first

2874
01:57:19,540 --> 01:57:19,130
one did a good answer Nick I couldn't

2875
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:19,550
agree more

2876
01:57:29,340 --> 01:57:23,210
oh okay Nick Redfern is joining us

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Halloween so the other side of Nick firt

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Redfern has appeared we haven't figured

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out what side that is yet but there's

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another side with Bela Lugosi on

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mushrooms

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and where's the Hungarian accent well

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acacia Chris actually story yeah yeah I

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love it too

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you have Bela Lugosi t-shirt I got

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something better to tell you though

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years ago when I met up with Forrest J

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Ackerman who was the famous science

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fiction fan and horror writer and he had

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this amazing Museum of memorabilia that

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was I guess dealt with after he died but

2980
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here's the issue here he had Bela

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Lugosi's ring on his hand and he always

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wore it what

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isn't that intranets the Dracula ring

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that he wore in the movie spooky indeed

2985
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more questions Chris yeah Nick have you

2986
02:03:05,590 --> 02:03:03,680
ever discovered government documents

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that count to addict other government

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documents thus making it likely that at

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least one set of documents is

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disinformation that's a good question I

2991
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:14,420
have come across a couple of things like

2992
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that I'm not sure if it's disinformation

2993
02:03:21,910 --> 02:03:19,010
I tend to take more the approach that

2994
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it's agency a doesn't necessarily know

2995
02:03:25,630 --> 02:03:23,690
what agency B's doing or doesn't have

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the clearance to know what agency seized

2997
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:29,030
up to I mean I've seen this probably

2998
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:31,010
more in the British government files at

2999
02:03:35,620 --> 02:03:32,810
the at the British National Archives

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just outside London where for example

3001
02:03:41,530 --> 02:03:39,500
there are reports UFO documents from the

3002
02:03:42,970 --> 02:03:41,540
publicly acknowledged UFO office of the

3003
02:03:45,610 --> 02:03:42,980
Ministry of Defence the one Nick Pope

3004
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:45,620
working which talk about where UFO

3005
02:03:50,050 --> 02:03:47,450
researchers and written letters and said

3006
02:03:52,270 --> 02:03:50,060
things like you know do you work with

3007
02:03:52,550 --> 02:03:52,280
other countries on the euro problem you

3008
02:03:54,020 --> 02:03:52,560
know

3009
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:54,030
say well no we just we've got this

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02:03:57,470 --> 02:03:55,710
little office here and we just look at

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02:03:59,240 --> 02:03:57,480
reports and try and figure out if people

3012
02:04:01,490 --> 02:03:59,250
sort of satellite or a weather balloon

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02:04:02,900 --> 02:04:01,500
or whatever and those are the I said

3014
02:04:04,550 --> 02:04:02,910
that they they're all coming out of the

3015
02:04:07,550 --> 02:04:04,560
office in which Nick Pope works in the

3016
02:04:09,260 --> 02:04:07,560
1990s however through the Freedom of

3017
02:04:11,420 --> 02:04:09,270
Information Act from some of the Defense

3018
02:04:15,260 --> 02:04:11,430
Intelligence offices we're actually seen

3019
02:04:16,970 --> 02:04:15,270
documents where for example the Defense

3020
02:04:19,160 --> 02:04:16,980
Intelligence people were actively

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approaching overseas nations I mean I'll

3022
02:04:22,700 --> 02:04:21,180
give you a classic example through the

3023
02:04:25,160 --> 02:04:22,710
Freedom of Information Act we now have

3024
02:04:27,710 --> 02:04:25,170
documents showing but in 1967 the

3025
02:04:29,990 --> 02:04:27,720
British government actually apply to the

3026
02:04:32,030 --> 02:04:30,000
Cold War approached the Soviets with a

3027
02:04:33,860 --> 02:04:32,040
secret view to setting up like a joint

3028
02:04:36,140 --> 02:04:33,870
UFO study program which sounds

3029
02:04:38,630 --> 02:04:36,150
incredible but you know Nick Pope's

3030
02:04:40,730 --> 02:04:38,640
office never did anything like that and

3031
02:04:42,560 --> 02:04:40,740
they actually said we do not be a as

3032
02:04:44,810 --> 02:04:42,570
you've overseas nations now I don't

3033
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:44,820
believe that office was lying I think

3034
02:04:48,500 --> 02:04:47,040
they actually knew nothing about what

3035
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:48,510
the Defense Intelligence people who

3036
02:04:52,190 --> 02:04:50,430
operate at a far greater level of

3037
02:04:54,380 --> 02:04:52,200
secrecy I don't think they just simply

3038
02:04:56,360 --> 02:04:54,390
had any idea what that other department

3039
02:04:59,540 --> 02:04:56,370
was up to do you think the agency had

3040
02:05:01,310 --> 02:04:59,550
Nick Pope worked with was just a PR

3041
02:05:05,450 --> 02:05:01,320
agency having nothing to do with any

3042
02:05:07,220 --> 02:05:05,460
real investigation well it was just a

3043
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:07,230
very low-level thing I mean by Nick's

3044
02:05:10,820 --> 02:05:08,850
owned a mission he never left the office

3045
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:10,830
to investigate a case you know you never

3046
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:12,570
went out into the field or anything like

3047
02:05:17,300 --> 02:05:14,880
that it was all done from reports that

3048
02:05:19,700 --> 02:05:17,310
were channeled through to the office I

3049
02:05:21,380 --> 02:05:19,710
mean even Blue Book went out into the

3050
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:21,390
field to investigate things you know the

3051
02:05:28,340 --> 02:05:25,170
mini offense study didn't but we do get

3052
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:28,350
reports of people seeing UFOs who claims

3053
02:05:33,560 --> 02:05:30,810
have been visited by a MODY personnel so

3054
02:05:35,450 --> 02:05:33,570
this leads me to believe you know Nick's

3055
02:05:38,150 --> 02:05:35,460
office was a legitimate one but it was

3056
02:05:42,590 --> 02:05:38,160
just a low-key one it wasn't quote very

3057
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:42,600
new office UFO office if you like here's

3058
02:05:46,940 --> 02:05:44,730
a question from burnt State who is one

3059
02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:46,950
of our active participants at forum dr.

3060
02:05:51,140 --> 02:05:48,330
Peric ask.com

3061
02:05:54,050 --> 02:05:51,150
and he goes Nick you've written so many

3062
02:05:55,670 --> 02:05:54,060
books on so many topics do you ever feel

3063
02:05:57,020 --> 02:05:55,680
that you have count you contradicted

3064
02:05:58,820 --> 02:05:57,030
yourself in your writings where the

3065
02:06:01,040 --> 02:05:58,830
ideas from one book may stand in direct

3066
02:06:04,760 --> 02:06:01,050
opposition to another if so please

3067
02:06:06,300 --> 02:06:04,770
describe good question

3068
02:06:09,070 --> 02:06:06,310
I won't say up to every

3069
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:09,080
deliberately contradicts things but what

3070
02:06:12,790 --> 02:06:10,400
I would say you know given the fact that

3071
02:06:14,860 --> 02:06:12,800
I've been sort of writing in the UFO

3072
02:06:17,740 --> 02:06:14,870
field for like 20-something years and

3073
02:06:20,500 --> 02:06:17,750
I've been writing books for 17 years

3074
02:06:23,169 --> 02:06:20,510
what happens sometimes is that you know

3075
02:06:25,570 --> 02:06:23,179
you'll write something maybe 97 and then

3076
02:06:28,300 --> 02:06:25,580
new documents might serve as in 2005

3077
02:06:30,490 --> 02:06:28,310
which shed new light on something he

3078
02:06:32,110 --> 02:06:30,500
wrote about previously and changes you

3079
02:06:33,820 --> 02:06:32,120
know your original position I mean that

3080
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,830
but that's normal you know I've never

3081
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:36,320
deliberately written something that's

3082
02:06:41,290 --> 02:06:38,330
totally contradicting you know something

3083
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:41,300
else but you know there's it's just um

3084
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:42,890
it's just how life is it's sometimes

3085
02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:44,330
things are going to surface in the

3086
02:06:48,220 --> 02:06:46,340
future that change the way you look at

3087
02:06:50,500 --> 02:06:48,230
something you wrote in the past you know

3088
02:06:53,350 --> 02:06:50,510
that's that's inevitable okay well here

3089
02:06:56,169 --> 02:06:53,360
we have a question several questions

3090
02:06:58,510 --> 02:06:56,179
from a new poster named Smike who just

3091
02:07:02,680 --> 02:06:58,520
joined the forum here it formed out the

3092
02:07:04,419 --> 02:07:02,690
podcast calm on Monday and he says we

3093
02:07:06,310 --> 02:07:04,429
regularly hear of people who claim to

3094
02:07:08,500 --> 02:07:06,320
have been abducted and given information

3095
02:07:10,150 --> 02:07:08,510
by the aliens that took them however

3096
02:07:12,820 --> 02:07:10,160
these prophesies are usually revealed

3097
02:07:14,439 --> 02:07:12,830
after the fact or on the rare occasion

3098
02:07:15,939 --> 02:07:14,449
somebody makes a prediction in advance

3099
02:07:18,100 --> 02:07:15,949
it's so vague that it can't be applied

3100
02:07:20,140 --> 02:07:18,110
it can be applied to almost anything so

3101
02:07:22,030 --> 02:07:20,150
to your knowledge has there ever been an

3102
02:07:23,380 --> 02:07:22,040
abductee who has made a correct precise

3103
02:07:25,900 --> 02:07:23,390
prediction based on information

3104
02:07:29,500 --> 02:07:25,910
apparently passed on to them by advanced

3105
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:29,510
means not to the best of my knowledge

3106
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:31,370
but again this goes back to the whole

3107
02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:33,290
trickster angle where you can look

3108
02:07:39,160 --> 02:07:36,050
throughout history where people have

3109
02:07:40,870 --> 02:07:39,170
sort of been approached or manifested

3110
02:07:43,120 --> 02:07:40,880
before them like higher entities or

3111
02:07:45,340 --> 02:07:43,130
supernatural beings and they've made

3112
02:07:46,959 --> 02:07:45,350
these prophecies and claims you know the

3113
02:07:49,240 --> 02:07:46,969
world's going to end on this date or you

3114
02:07:51,070 --> 02:07:49,250
need to know where they claimed you know

3115
02:07:53,740 --> 02:07:51,080
too many aliens and we're gonna be on a

3116
02:07:56,350 --> 02:07:53,750
time scale to disarm our nuclear weapons

3117
02:07:59,050 --> 02:07:56,360
or else this kind of thing even things

3118
02:08:01,330 --> 02:07:59,060
you know at the 2012 Mayan prophecies

3119
02:08:03,100 --> 02:08:01,340
you know but he was running around well

3120
02:08:04,240 --> 02:08:03,110
a lot of people running around thinking

3121
02:08:06,550 --> 02:08:04,250
the world is going to end

3122
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:06,560
you know Nostradamus for example plus

3123
02:08:11,919 --> 02:08:10,010
the most famous example exploding like

3124
02:08:13,870 --> 02:08:11,929
it did you know you don't find anything

3125
02:08:14,979 --> 02:08:13,880
from these prophecies the fifties and

3126
02:08:17,620 --> 02:08:14,989
sixties that we're all going to be

3127
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:17,630
reliant on instant communication etc

3128
02:08:22,839 --> 02:08:20,090
that really came out of the blue so

3129
02:08:25,359 --> 02:08:22,849
to be honest I don't have much faith in

3130
02:08:27,490 --> 02:08:25,369
prophecies or anything like that now

3131
02:08:29,470 --> 02:08:27,500
what I would say is I think everybody

3132
02:08:32,169 --> 02:08:29,480
might a lot of people at some point I'd

3133
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:32,179
like a like a prophetic failing where

3134
02:08:36,310 --> 02:08:34,880
you know something happens and then or

3135
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:36,320
they think something of it dreaming and

3136
02:08:40,390 --> 02:08:38,330
then it happened so I'm not saying there

3137
02:08:42,220 --> 02:08:40,400
isn't anything to this but what I'm

3138
02:08:45,189 --> 02:08:42,230
saying is sort of specific date specific

3139
02:08:47,140 --> 02:08:45,199
places specific times I'm not aware of

3140
02:08:49,180 --> 02:08:47,150
anything that's really convinced in it

3141
02:08:50,740 --> 02:08:49,190
but that doesn't mean things can't

3142
02:08:54,040 --> 02:08:50,750
happen but it's more of like a like a

3143
02:08:56,709 --> 02:08:54,050
gray angle of trying to interpret okay

3144
02:08:58,540 --> 02:08:56,719
yeah that's once you start using the the

3145
02:09:01,649 --> 02:08:58,550
P word and the B word I like to say the

3146
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prophecy and belief you're getting into

3147
02:09:07,450 --> 02:09:05,270
some pretty tenuous ground and I try to

3148
02:09:09,580 --> 02:09:07,460
stay away from both words as much as

3149
02:09:13,419 --> 02:09:09,590
possible this is an interesting question

3150
02:09:15,459 --> 02:09:13,429
and uh I'm curious to know what what you

3151
02:09:18,189 --> 02:09:15,469
have to think about this one are there

3152
02:09:20,410 --> 02:09:18,199
any cases that have been debunked by UFO

3153
02:09:22,540 --> 02:09:20,420
researchers that you believe have merit

3154
02:09:24,689 --> 02:09:22,550
to them well yeah I mean there's

3155
02:09:27,100 --> 02:09:24,699
probably quite a few I mean for example

3156
02:09:29,290 --> 02:09:27,110
well yeah I mean like for example if we

3157
02:09:31,629 --> 02:09:29,300
take the Belgium flying triangle cases

3158
02:09:33,910 --> 02:09:31,639
of the late 1980s I mean a lot of people

3159
02:09:35,500 --> 02:09:33,920
said oh it's just bility craft but you

3160
02:09:38,260 --> 02:09:35,510
know I don't believe that was the case

3161
02:09:39,910 --> 02:09:38,270
at all you know there's a lot of people

3162
02:09:43,899 --> 02:09:39,920
sort of know a lot but some people

3163
02:09:45,970 --> 02:09:43,909
debunk basic or of 1964 landing I'm

3164
02:09:47,770 --> 02:09:45,980
still not convinced that wasn't a real

3165
02:09:49,300 --> 02:09:47,780
legitimate event you know even though

3166
02:09:52,169 --> 02:09:49,310
it's been suggested it was like some

3167
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:52,179
sort of hoax by a bunch of college kids

3168
02:09:58,270 --> 02:09:55,010
well that comes from just one person of

3169
02:10:00,129 --> 02:09:58,280
course Tony Berg alia who revealed that

3170
02:10:02,350 --> 02:10:00,139
particular story and of course it's very

3171
02:10:04,390 --> 02:10:02,360
highly disputed we have a lot more to

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cover a lot more questions that we got

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to get into for our remaining two

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segments we have Nick Redfern author of

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four nobody's eyes only missing

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government files and hidden archives

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that document the truth behind the most

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enduring conspiracy theories and we also

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have lots of questions from our

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listeners with gene and Chris you're in

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[Music]

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this is hilly Rose I hopefully you do

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listen to in the para cast because he

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will learn a great deal about the

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paranormal with Jeanne and Chris and the

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para cast Nick Redfern joining us Nick

3286
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:04,890
it you have anything further to say

3287
02:15:08,959 --> 02:15:06,719
about that particular question you were

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answering before chris goes on well yeah

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I mean you know this for example one

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classic example be in the the contactees

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you know that entire movement is pretty

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much dismissed by a lot of people in the

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UFO field because they just look at it

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from the black-and-white perspective of

3295
02:15:26,270 --> 02:15:23,880
long-haired aliens coming from Venus etc

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02:15:27,620 --> 02:15:26,280
and they write it all up I don't but you

3297
02:15:29,959 --> 02:15:27,630
know it's like any aspect of the UFO

3298
02:15:31,939 --> 02:15:29,969
phenomena and yeah there are fakers and

3299
02:15:34,310 --> 02:15:31,949
hoaxers and disinformation people

3300
02:15:36,470 --> 02:15:34,320
whatever but I still believe that

3301
02:15:38,570 --> 02:15:36,480
there's a legitimate contactee

3302
02:15:40,130 --> 02:15:38,580
phenomenon now whether it's with

3303
02:15:42,649 --> 02:15:40,140
something extraterrestrial or that

3304
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:42,659
manifests in a vision reform and it

3305
02:15:46,160 --> 02:15:44,370
appears like the space but as I don't

3306
02:15:47,450 --> 02:15:46,170
know I think I'm more inclined to go

3307
02:15:49,669 --> 02:15:47,460
down that path but it's more like a

3308
02:15:51,890 --> 02:15:49,679
visionary experience that from some

3309
02:15:54,620 --> 02:15:51,900
other intelligence but I actually think

3310
02:15:57,050 --> 02:15:54,630
many of the contactees had definitively

3311
02:15:59,149 --> 02:15:57,060
real experiences you know whether they

3312
02:16:00,470 --> 02:15:59,159
occurred in an altered state on either

3313
02:16:02,810 --> 02:16:00,480
different matter but I don't believe

3314
02:16:05,720 --> 02:16:02,820
they were all just a bunch of hoaxes and

3315
02:16:08,720 --> 02:16:05,730
you know shysters or whatever so you you

3316
02:16:11,899 --> 02:16:08,730
feel a lot of these or some at least

3317
02:16:14,090 --> 02:16:11,909
some of these events were firmly

3318
02:16:15,919 --> 02:16:14,100
believed by the people that experience

3319
02:16:18,590 --> 02:16:15,929
am i I think a good example of that

3320
02:16:21,050 --> 02:16:18,600
would be Truman bathroom I think was

3321
02:16:22,399 --> 02:16:21,060
really compelling and there's some

3322
02:16:24,320 --> 02:16:22,409
evidence to suggest that something

3323
02:16:26,030 --> 02:16:24,330
really high strange did happen to him oh

3324
02:16:28,189 --> 02:16:26,040
yeah I think I mean I've written quite

3325
02:16:31,040 --> 02:16:28,199
extensively about his case and form a

3326
02:16:33,560 --> 02:16:31,050
Truman bathroom its story sounds bizarre

3327
02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:33,570
but I think it was more like a visionary

3328
02:16:37,339 --> 02:16:35,969
experience with something like in

3329
02:16:39,879 --> 02:16:37,349
otherworldly intelligence that

3330
02:16:42,679 --> 02:16:39,889
manifested almost like in a matrix style

3331
02:16:45,049 --> 02:16:42,689
hologram form where you know he was

3332
02:16:47,270 --> 02:16:45,059
presented with this imagery and it was

3333
02:16:49,969 --> 02:16:47,280
like a visionary process but he was real

3334
02:16:51,560 --> 02:16:49,979
in one sense but he was external as well

3335
02:16:54,440 --> 02:16:51,570
it wasn't all just due to you know to

3336
02:16:57,410 --> 02:16:54,450
his mind his tea and

3337
02:16:59,240 --> 02:16:57,420
done any research on Timeslips and if so

3338
02:17:03,650 --> 02:16:59,250
is there any evidence for them or is it

3339
02:17:06,290 --> 02:17:03,660
this just a myth I haven't but there's a

3340
02:17:08,930 --> 02:17:06,300
total of good books that cover that area

3341
02:17:10,670 --> 02:17:08,940
one is a book called this book is from

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02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:10,680
the future written by a good friend of

3343
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:13,200
mine Marie Jones and Larry Flaxman and

3344
02:17:16,250 --> 02:17:15,210
there's also one that was written by

3345
02:17:18,380 --> 02:17:16,260
Jenny Randall's

3346
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:18,390
about 10 or 12 years ago I think called

3347
02:17:23,030 --> 02:17:21,090
time storms both those books are worth

3348
02:17:26,060 --> 02:17:23,040
reading because they cover this angle of

3349
02:17:29,720 --> 02:17:26,070
sort of time slips and you know apparent

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02:17:31,640 --> 02:17:29,730
brief journeys you know back and into

3351
02:17:34,190 --> 02:17:31,650
the past and into the future even I'm

3352
02:17:36,830 --> 02:17:34,200
kind of wondering as we go Vaughn here

3353
02:17:38,810 --> 02:17:36,840
whether we should get Jenny Wren was on

3354
02:17:40,459 --> 02:17:38,820
the show soon we didn't get a letter

3355
02:17:42,920 --> 02:17:40,469
from her several years ago where there

3356
02:17:48,260 --> 02:17:42,930
was some kind of dispute over something

3357
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:48,270
and for years and I'm not even aware if

3358
02:17:50,720 --> 02:17:49,920
she's written any books I don't know

3359
02:17:53,450 --> 02:17:50,730
what she's doing

3360
02:17:55,220 --> 02:17:53,460
how many books in the last ten years or

3361
02:17:56,720 --> 02:17:55,230
so I don't know anything yeah yeah you

3362
02:17:58,550 --> 02:17:56,730
don't know Jenny's name very much

3363
02:18:01,730 --> 02:17:58,560
anymore occasionally she turns up on

3364
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:01,740
updates but yeah she I have no idea what

3365
02:18:04,280 --> 02:18:02,370
she's been up to

3366
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:04,290
of course she has been on the field to

3367
02:18:11,900 --> 02:18:06,000
whom I've just burnout

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02:18:14,810 --> 02:18:11,910
I know the feeling about myself here's a

3369
02:18:18,620 --> 02:18:14,820
question from Han who is Harry a Newton

3370
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:18,630
who is uh one of our posters at forum

3371
02:18:24,200 --> 02:18:20,969
dr. Peric ask.com where you can go sign

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02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:24,210
up and get your questions asked by Gina

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02:18:30,590 --> 02:18:26,730
myself of our guests on the question

3374
02:18:33,050 --> 02:18:30,600
thread on your last appearance Nick he

3375
02:18:35,660 --> 02:18:33,060
heard you mention Cannock Chase as being

3376
02:18:37,250 --> 02:18:35,670
a paranormal hotspot off the top of your

3377
02:18:38,690 --> 02:18:37,260
head and I'm not sure if you will see

3378
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:38,700
this thread before the show is recorded

3379
02:18:43,900 --> 02:18:41,010
which I don't think you have do you know

3380
02:18:48,110 --> 02:18:43,910
of any cases from RAF Stafford or

3381
02:18:50,150 --> 02:18:48,120
swenerton yarn field or stone yeah I

3382
02:18:52,190 --> 02:18:50,160
actually do I mean this is all those

3383
02:18:54,800 --> 02:18:52,200
places he's just listed we're within

3384
02:18:56,110 --> 02:18:54,810
about sort of 2025 minutes drive from

3385
02:18:59,420 --> 02:18:56,120
where I grew up

3386
02:19:02,930 --> 02:18:59,430
Cannock Chase was like a 12 minute drive

3387
02:19:06,890 --> 02:19:02,940
at most where I grew up the entire area

3388
02:19:07,790 --> 02:19:06,900
stone yarn field RAF Stafford the being

3389
02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,800
yeah I've got

3390
02:19:12,440 --> 02:19:10,260
reports to that area of UFO sightings

3391
02:19:15,139 --> 02:19:12,450
you know things in the sky mechanic

3392
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:15,149
chase itself the actual this large

3393
02:19:21,950 --> 02:19:18,000
forested area that has been the size of

3394
02:19:24,980 --> 02:19:21,960
everything from UFO landings to contact

3395
02:19:27,980 --> 02:19:24,990
T cases to abductions to missing time

3396
02:19:30,320 --> 02:19:27,990
events vehicle interference cases

3397
02:19:34,610 --> 02:19:30,330
they're all so bizarrely a lot of weird

3398
02:19:36,620 --> 02:19:34,620
creatures like large black cats even

3399
02:19:39,559 --> 02:19:36,630
sort of bigfoot-type creatures as well

3400
02:19:42,709 --> 02:19:39,569
as bizarre and as crazy as it sounds and

3401
02:19:44,540 --> 02:19:42,719
black large black dogs with glowing red

3402
02:19:46,820 --> 02:19:44,550
eyes you know sort of phantom black dog

3403
02:19:50,030 --> 02:19:46,830
type tails so in other words the entire

3404
02:19:51,980 --> 02:19:50,040
area he's a hot spot for strangeness and

3405
02:19:55,520 --> 02:19:51,990
and it kind of goes back to these stuff

3406
02:19:58,160 --> 02:19:55,530
with kale where why would you see fans

3407
02:20:00,410 --> 02:19:58,170
and black dogs and ghostly creatures and

3408
02:20:03,230 --> 02:20:00,420
big cats in the same places people say

3409
02:20:05,420 --> 02:20:03,240
UFOs if it's just nuts and bolts aliens

3410
02:20:07,639 --> 02:20:05,430
from another world and the can of Chase

3411
02:20:10,099 --> 02:20:07,649
is a classic example for me as to why

3412
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:10,109
kale was on the right track because it

3413
02:20:14,840 --> 02:20:11,850
just sort of demonstrates exactly what

3414
02:20:16,190 --> 02:20:14,850
he was saying okay here's another one

3415
02:20:20,809 --> 02:20:16,200
I'm not sure if you're gonna want to

3416
02:20:23,660 --> 02:20:20,819
touch this particular possible subject

3417
02:20:25,520 --> 02:20:23,670
but in your opinion is there a possible

3418
02:20:27,590 --> 02:20:25,530
connection between the Gulf of Tonkin

3419
02:20:28,790 --> 02:20:27,600
incident operation Northwoods and the

3420
02:20:35,420 --> 02:20:28,800
terrorist attacks on the world trade

3421
02:20:37,730 --> 02:20:35,430
centers difficult subjects I mean you

3422
02:20:39,500 --> 02:20:37,740
know the thing is I don't really get

3423
02:20:41,389 --> 02:20:39,510
involved in sort of more political

3424
02:20:43,070 --> 02:20:41,399
conspiracies mainly because you know

3425
02:20:47,510 --> 02:20:43,080
it's not my area of expertise I'm not

3426
02:20:49,010 --> 02:20:47,520
overly familiar with it you know when it

3427
02:20:52,160 --> 02:20:49,020
comes to things like the would answer

3428
02:20:54,950 --> 02:20:52,170
all this sort of stuff I think if you're

3429
02:20:57,230 --> 02:20:54,960
gonna make an extreme claim about it all

3430
02:21:00,530 --> 02:20:57,240
being done by insiders then you've got

3431
02:21:04,400 --> 02:21:00,540
to come up with some extreme evidence no

3432
02:21:06,290 --> 02:21:04,410
but that's the thing I mean I've heard

3433
02:21:07,940 --> 02:21:06,300
all sorts of stories about you know the

3434
02:21:10,670 --> 02:21:07,950
passengers weren't really on the planes

3435
02:21:11,809 --> 02:21:10,680
and all sorts of bizarre stuff and you

3436
02:21:14,450 --> 02:21:11,819
know there's stuff about a plane not

3437
02:21:16,010 --> 02:21:14,460
eating the pension really well it's all

3438
02:21:17,630 --> 02:21:16,020
very well to make those sort of claims

3439
02:21:19,969 --> 02:21:17,640
but then you've got to sort where the

3440
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:19,979
passengers where is the real plane that

3441
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:21,650
I actually don't think

3442
02:21:27,490 --> 02:21:25,280
government was involved in 9/11 you know

3443
02:21:32,051 --> 02:21:27,500
I think I think it was down to a bunch

3444
02:21:34,591 --> 02:21:32,061
of crazy guys and that people might be

3445
02:21:37,841 --> 02:21:34,601
amazed and stunned by that but you know

3446
02:21:39,761 --> 02:21:37,851
9/11 for me was was not an inside job

3447
02:21:42,850 --> 02:21:39,771
man big most say I don't know enough to

3448
02:21:45,730 --> 02:21:42,860
comment on it could be true but you know

3449
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:45,740
we know that guys those guys were on

3450
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,080
those planes and they you know they

3451
02:21:52,600 --> 02:21:50,960
weren't friendly guys and we know that

3452
02:21:53,650 --> 02:21:52,610
the pet the passengers are some people

3453
02:21:55,600 --> 02:21:53,660
say well they weren't on the plane

3454
02:21:57,850 --> 02:21:55,610
they've never surfaced again so clearly

3455
02:21:59,200 --> 02:21:57,860
they were on the planes you know what

3456
02:22:01,961 --> 02:21:59,210
the other thing here is you can also

3457
02:22:04,030 --> 02:22:01,971
argue that there were over 50 warning

3458
02:22:06,791 --> 02:22:04,040
signs that the government should have

3459
02:22:09,610 --> 02:22:06,801
acknowledged and failed to follow up on

3460
02:22:11,621 --> 02:22:09,620
and we can go and whys and wherefores

3461
02:22:14,470 --> 02:22:11,631
I'm not saying things weren't followed

3462
02:22:17,020 --> 02:22:14,480
up on all that you know because a lot of

3463
02:22:18,791 --> 02:22:17,030
date has been put forward to suggest it

3464
02:22:20,530 --> 02:22:18,801
clearly wasn't followed up on always

3465
02:22:22,660 --> 02:22:20,540
ignored or was overlooked however you

3466
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want to turn it sure and then they can

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say in reqtest they can say in

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retrospect well we didn't connect the

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dots but you know what we pay them the

3470
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big bucks to connect the dots so with

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that but the idea that you know the

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planes were like radio-controlled into

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the towers or something and they were

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destined you know and it's somebody

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planted 50 tons of dynamite at the

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bottom of the towers you know are you

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gonna make claims like that they've got

3478
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to come up with something you know that

3479
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gets to the wacky category that gets to

3480
02:22:57,940 --> 02:22:56,030
be a little telling actually for me I

3481
02:22:59,801 --> 02:22:57,950
don't think it's because a lot of people

3482
02:23:03,070 --> 02:22:59,811
legitimately believe all this and think

3483
02:23:04,331 --> 02:23:03,080
of explicit good reasons why but my view

3484
02:23:06,070 --> 02:23:04,341
is if you're going to make extreme

3485
02:23:09,310 --> 02:23:06,080
claims you've got to come up with

3486
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something to back it up not just oh well

3487
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those towers seem to fall like in a

3488
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detonation well saying they seem to fall

3489
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like in a detonation

3490
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isn't good enough you know and these are

3491
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people who may not even have the

3492
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engineering expertise when I say wacky

3493
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it's because of the nature of the

3494
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theories we can come up with all sorts

3495
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of theories theories are a dime a dozen

3496
02:23:30,251 --> 02:23:27,740
but when you say that especially is

3497
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something like this a high-profile

3498
02:23:34,630 --> 02:23:32,900
episode of whatever where there are tons

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of documentation and probably

3500
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an official story before you say the

3501
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official story is wrong and maybe it's

3502
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okay just to talk about it

3503
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you really have to produce some

3504
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extraordinary evidence to support that

3505
02:23:49,300 --> 02:23:47,479
claim it's not so easy and this goes to

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anything this goes to anything even the

3507
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Kennedy assassination as much as it

3508
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seems to be a conspiracy

3509
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we don't know who did it we can say it

3510
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was JFK's you know rivals maybe

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organized crime because he went with the

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wrong woman it was LBJ it was the Cubans

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was the CIA was the Russians we can say

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lots of things but we could say that we

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have one more segment to spend with Nick

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Redfern the book is for nobodies eyes

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final segment which means that we have

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to rush through the questions and rush

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through the answers Chris let's move on

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okay

3632
02:29:12,639 --> 02:29:10,010
this one might be a little bit redundant

3633
02:29:15,160 --> 02:29:12,649
but I I'd be interested to hear your

3634
02:29:17,080 --> 02:29:15,170
answer what are your favorite three UFO

3635
02:29:22,330 --> 02:29:17,090
events using whatever definition of

3636
02:29:24,809 --> 02:29:22,340
favor you would like well to the

3637
02:29:27,580 --> 02:29:24,819
question I guess he does depend a defier

3638
02:29:28,929 --> 02:29:27,590
favor I mean I would have to put Roswell

3639
02:29:31,809 --> 02:29:28,939
I know trans predictable I would have to

3640
02:29:35,740 --> 02:29:31,819
put Roswell in there mainly because of

3641
02:29:37,570 --> 02:29:35,750
its potential importance in possibly one

3642
02:29:39,340 --> 02:29:37,580
day blowing the whole thing wide open

3643
02:29:40,750 --> 02:29:39,350
I think rods would have to be there for

3644
02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:40,760
that reason that's not necessarily a

3645
02:29:45,300 --> 02:29:42,890
favorite reason but it's it's an

3646
02:29:48,219 --> 02:29:45,310
essential case you know to possibly

3647
02:29:50,139 --> 02:29:48,229
proving that we have been visited and

3648
02:29:52,570 --> 02:29:50,149
that there's a physical nature to the

3649
02:29:56,290 --> 02:29:52,580
phenomenon from somewhere else

3650
02:29:59,050 --> 02:29:56,300
I would also I think one of my favorite

3651
02:30:00,700 --> 02:29:59,060
ones which is also a wacky one was the

3652
02:30:02,590 --> 02:30:00,710
stuff forget the guys name now who

3653
02:30:06,480 --> 02:30:02,600
claims to have met a aliens that made

3654
02:30:10,389 --> 02:30:06,490
him pancakes this was like the early 90s

3655
02:30:12,790 --> 02:30:10,399
I'm inton I think was the case Hermanson

3656
02:30:15,130 --> 02:30:12,800
yeah this farmer who said the aliens

3657
02:30:17,860 --> 02:30:15,140
landed and made they gave him these he

3658
02:30:19,559 --> 02:30:17,870
said it tasted like cardboard if I had

3659
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:19,569
answer that question one of my favorite

3660
02:30:26,920 --> 02:30:22,970
UFO flaps that had other things attached

3661
02:30:29,559 --> 02:30:26,930
to it was the ellsbury flap of 78 of

3662
02:30:31,870 --> 02:30:29,569
Ellsbury Missouri went Bigfoot showed up

3663
02:30:34,660 --> 02:30:31,880
was searching through a garbage dump and

3664
02:30:36,820 --> 02:30:34,670
little guys in silver suits were seen

3665
02:30:39,340 --> 02:30:36,830
and informations of what appeared to be

3666
02:30:41,500 --> 02:30:39,350
55-gallon drums were seen flying around

3667
02:30:43,150 --> 02:30:41,510
and in these weird orange lights would

3668
02:30:45,309 --> 02:30:43,160
come down in fields and cows will be

3669
02:30:46,840 --> 02:30:45,319
discovered mutilated by the end of this

3670
02:30:49,000 --> 02:30:46,850
two-week or three-week period

3671
02:30:51,730 --> 02:30:49,010
hundreds of people were lining the roads

3672
02:30:55,510 --> 02:30:51,740
in lawn chairs waiting for the UFOs and

3673
02:30:57,520 --> 02:30:55,520
the alien mutilators to come down there

3674
02:31:00,040 --> 02:30:57,530
were selling shirts and balloons and oh

3675
02:31:02,170 --> 02:31:00,050
my goodness it's just so fun

3676
02:31:04,840 --> 02:31:02,180
I'd actually be hard-pressed to make a

3677
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:04,850
list less than sort of 20 of you know

3678
02:31:09,430 --> 02:31:07,520
overall favorite ones but I think the

3679
02:31:11,260 --> 02:31:09,440
better the case you know that I won't

3680
02:31:13,780 --> 02:31:11,270
say the favorite but their importance an

3681
02:31:16,300 --> 02:31:13,790
essential ones you know I also like the

3682
02:31:19,210 --> 02:31:16,310
the Kashmiri cases that crop up from

3683
02:31:21,400 --> 02:31:19,220
time to time on the on the DMZ between

3684
02:31:24,820 --> 02:31:21,410
the Pakistanis and Indians up there and

3685
02:31:26,410 --> 02:31:24,830
the high mountains of the Himalayas some

3686
02:31:28,719 --> 02:31:26,420
of those cases are pretty fascinating

3687
02:31:30,310 --> 02:31:28,729
when you dig into them and you start you

3688
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:30,320
start looking at them of course the

3689
02:31:34,390 --> 02:31:32,720
O'Hare Airport case I think I think

3690
02:31:37,570 --> 02:31:34,400
there's a ton of information that still

3691
02:31:39,370 --> 02:31:37,580
could possibly be obtained by really

3692
02:31:41,620 --> 02:31:39,380
digging deeply into that case and of

3693
02:31:47,350 --> 02:31:41,630
course Stevensville to terms of recent

3694
02:31:49,330 --> 02:31:47,360
cases which is a good one oh yeah of

3695
02:31:53,469 --> 02:31:49,340
course yeah she grunted like an animal I

3696
02:31:59,650 --> 02:31:53,479
love that one it's like don't tell us

3697
02:32:03,130 --> 02:31:59,660
anything personal Chris that wasn't me

3698
02:32:09,060 --> 02:32:03,140
what do you like animals that's what

3699
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:11,620
well he didn't have much choice I mean

3700
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:14,210
he struggled and struggled but he was

3701
02:32:26,650 --> 02:32:21,610
raped watch he did he was quite quite

3702
02:32:30,040 --> 02:32:26,660
dismayed and upset according to I forget

3703
02:32:33,670 --> 02:32:30,050
who was it hola Bayes or whoever was the

3704
02:32:38,469 --> 02:32:33,680
investigator he was upset about it but

3705
02:32:40,180 --> 02:32:38,479
he must not have been too upset okay

3706
02:32:43,150 --> 02:32:40,190
here's here's a here's a tough one it's

3707
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:43,160
kind of an open-ended question but you

3708
02:32:47,050 --> 02:32:44,810
know let's give our listeners maybe who

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haven't really heard you before on the

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perhaps would like to get a little

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better idea of who Nick Redfern is in

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Bern state asks a pretty interesting

3714
02:33:00,250 --> 02:32:57,380
question would you describe yourself as

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02:33:02,770 --> 02:33:00,260
a paranormal 14 author with a specific

3716
02:33:04,540 --> 02:33:02,780
agenda looking to solve the phenomena to

3717
02:33:05,740 --> 02:33:04,550
a set of personally developed evolving

3718
02:33:07,930 --> 02:33:05,750
theories or

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02:33:09,670 --> 02:33:07,940
are you a secretary researcher in the

3720
02:33:11,500 --> 02:33:09,680
field providing speculation on the

3721
02:33:15,430 --> 02:33:11,510
possible narratives that unfold from

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02:33:17,590 --> 02:33:15,440
related fo ia requests where whatever

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02:33:20,140 --> 02:33:17,600
strong idea floats is what gets written

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02:33:21,880 --> 02:33:20,150
about so basically he's asking you how

3725
02:33:23,950 --> 02:33:21,890
would you describe your career I would

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02:33:25,810 --> 02:33:23,960
say probably both of the above yeah I

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02:33:27,910 --> 02:33:25,820
actually would say combination the two I

3728
02:33:29,440 --> 02:33:27,920
mean for people who aren't aware I left

3729
02:33:32,530 --> 02:33:29,450
school you know when I left school at

3730
02:33:34,360 --> 02:33:32,540
six core actually which is a long story

3731
02:33:35,640 --> 02:33:34,370
it didn't go back and I was useless at

3732
02:33:39,280 --> 02:33:35,650
school you know I had no qualifications

3733
02:33:41,290 --> 02:33:39,290
and go to college no University didn't

3734
02:33:44,620 --> 02:33:41,300
know what I wanted to do and got offered

3735
02:33:46,750 --> 02:33:44,630
a job at the blue on a magazine a music

3736
02:33:50,500 --> 02:33:46,760
magazine called zero at the time and

3737
02:33:52,810 --> 02:33:50,510
they did shutdown years ago and that

3738
02:33:55,480 --> 02:33:52,820
sort of suited me feel like in in

3739
02:33:58,480 --> 02:33:55,490
journalism but I had an interest already

3740
02:34:01,330 --> 02:33:58,490
existed in the paranormal so in other

3741
02:34:03,220 --> 02:34:01,340
words from there I sort of thought well

3742
02:34:04,540 --> 02:34:03,230
why not when I finally got into writing

3743
02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:04,550
books I've made my first book in

3744
02:34:13,300 --> 02:34:10,010
commercial like 33 between 19 and 32 I

3745
02:34:16,660 --> 02:34:13,310
worked I like to joke one was a van

3746
02:34:19,270 --> 02:34:16,670
driver for paint and wallpaper company

3747
02:34:20,890 --> 02:34:19,280
and heard the other five years I was a

3748
02:34:23,020 --> 02:34:20,900
forklift driver in a warehouse

3749
02:34:26,170 --> 02:34:23,030
so my first book didn't convey until I

3750
02:34:27,790 --> 02:34:26,180
was like 33 but I going back to when I

3751
02:34:29,710 --> 02:34:27,800
worked on that magazine I thought well

3752
02:34:32,680 --> 02:34:29,720
why not try and apply sort of

3753
02:34:35,050 --> 02:34:32,690
journalistic techniques to investigating

3754
02:34:37,960 --> 02:34:35,060
the paranormal so I have a deep passion

3755
02:34:39,790 --> 02:34:37,970
for it and I do the research and

3756
02:34:43,210 --> 02:34:39,800
investigations primarily because I want

3757
02:34:46,840 --> 02:34:43,220
the answers but equally I try and use

3758
02:34:48,400 --> 02:34:46,850
that journalistic approach to looking

3759
02:34:50,740 --> 02:34:48,410
for the answers and then present the

3760
02:34:52,840 --> 02:34:50,750
data to the audience in that fashion as

3761
02:34:55,270 --> 02:34:52,850
well and I think so yeah he's kind of a

3762
02:34:57,780 --> 02:34:55,280
combination of a personal quest but the

3763
02:35:00,250 --> 02:34:57,790
journalistic research approach as well

3764
02:35:03,490 --> 02:35:00,260
we have time maybe for one more question

3765
02:35:06,300 --> 02:35:03,500
Chris you know let me ask you a question

3766
02:35:10,110 --> 02:35:06,310
here with all this what is it about

3767
02:35:12,370 --> 02:35:10,120
conspiracy theories Nick Redfern that

3768
02:35:15,790 --> 02:35:12,380
eternally attracts people

3769
02:35:17,620 --> 02:35:15,800
is it the belief that we can get the

3770
02:35:19,421 --> 02:35:17,630
secret on what the government is really

3771
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:19,431
doing to us it's all about

3772
02:35:23,530 --> 02:35:21,290
paranoia especially since the most of

3773
02:35:26,350 --> 02:35:23,540
these conspiracies involve things the

3774
02:35:28,240 --> 02:35:26,360
government did or did not do is it part

3775
02:35:31,060 --> 02:35:28,250
of our distrust of government or is it

3776
02:35:33,220 --> 02:35:31,070
just a good story I mean it's a sure

3777
02:35:35,171 --> 02:35:33,230
thing that books about various

3778
02:35:37,841 --> 02:35:35,181
conspiracy theories particularly the

3779
02:35:40,331 --> 02:35:37,851
Kennedy assassination do sometimes

3780
02:35:42,910 --> 02:35:40,341
managed to become bestsellers so there

3781
02:35:44,440 --> 02:35:42,920
is that incentive well I think when it

3782
02:35:46,121 --> 02:35:44,450
comes to things like Rendlesham and

3783
02:35:49,270 --> 02:35:46,131
Roswell the fascination for the

3784
02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:49,280
conspiracy is born out of the potential

3785
02:35:53,831 --> 02:35:52,250
prize if we crack the conspiracy you

3786
02:35:56,171 --> 02:35:53,841
know I mean there might be a conspiracy

3787
02:35:58,360 --> 02:35:56,181
in the British government about you know

3788
02:36:00,371 --> 02:35:58,370
Heather buying cheap tea bags you know

3789
02:36:02,261 --> 02:36:00,381
and selling them a higher price you know

3790
02:36:04,001 --> 02:36:02,271
but that's not a it's a conspiracy but

3791
02:36:06,280 --> 02:36:04,011
nobody cares because he's a boring one

3792
02:36:10,150 --> 02:36:06,290
so I think things like Rendlesham and

3793
02:36:13,541 --> 02:36:10,160
Roswell are I've become so huge in terms

3794
02:36:16,001 --> 02:36:13,551
of conspiracy theorizing because of the

3795
02:36:18,730 --> 02:36:16,011
potential gain if we if we break the

3796
02:36:21,041 --> 02:36:18,740
conspiracy wide open so in other words I

3797
02:36:24,490 --> 02:36:21,051
don't think it's just we're fascinated

3798
02:36:26,831 --> 02:36:24,500
by conspiracies per se it's what the the

3799
02:36:31,690 --> 02:36:26,841
end result might be if we prize it wide

3800
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:31,700
open you know but there's conspiracies

3801
02:36:36,881 --> 02:36:33,530
that last forever like Roswell the

3802
02:36:38,770 --> 02:36:36,891
Kennedy assassination whatever no hope

3803
02:36:41,291 --> 02:36:38,780
to ever figure it out get to the end of

3804
02:36:42,730 --> 02:36:41,301
it no I wouldn't say there isn't any

3805
02:36:45,371 --> 02:36:42,740
hope because you know I mentioned

3806
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:45,381
earlier about how mistakes can be made

3807
02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:47,330
and you know a document might surface

3808
02:36:51,041 --> 02:36:49,610
that got misfiled and that blows the

3809
02:36:55,631 --> 02:36:51,051
entire thing wide open

3810
02:36:57,791 --> 02:36:55,641
but if I'm honest then I have to say

3811
02:37:00,360 --> 02:36:57,801
that given the fact that Roswell has

3812
02:37:03,730 --> 02:37:00,370
remained a secret or an enigma for

3813
02:37:05,230 --> 02:37:03,740
sixty-six years ago there's no reason he

3814
02:37:07,180 --> 02:37:05,240
couldn't remain in England for another

3815
02:37:09,100 --> 02:37:07,190
sixty six years and arguably it would be

3816
02:37:10,900 --> 02:37:09,110
even easy because you know ten years

3817
02:37:13,270 --> 02:37:10,910
from now everybody involved will be dead

3818
02:37:14,470 --> 02:37:13,280
it was back involved back in the forties

3819
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:14,480
you know there's probably hardly anybody

3820
02:37:19,180 --> 02:37:16,730
left now you know like Jack the Ripper

3821
02:37:21,390 --> 02:37:19,190
we'll never solve that one Roswell and

3822
02:37:22,990 --> 02:37:21,400
Rendlesham could become unfortunately

3823
02:37:25,541 --> 02:37:23,000
modern-day for us

3824
02:37:26,860 --> 02:37:25,551
Jack the Ripper's but I don't think that

3825
02:37:28,751 --> 02:37:26,870
means we should be give up or be

3826
02:37:31,091 --> 02:37:28,761
pessimistic posess has taken the Loza

3827
02:37:33,350 --> 02:37:31,101
way out we should keep digging and hope

3828
02:37:35,331 --> 02:37:33,360
we get there they're always been mines

3829
02:37:37,581 --> 02:37:35,341
the fact that we may not unfortunately

3830
02:37:40,190 --> 02:37:37,591
when you write books of this sort this

3831
02:37:42,560 --> 02:37:40,200
is a request for a quick answer because

3832
02:37:44,030 --> 02:37:42,570
of the time factor you never get

3833
02:37:46,341 --> 02:37:44,040
callbacks from the government saying

3834
02:37:48,140 --> 02:37:46,351
what are you doing no I don't because

3835
02:37:50,180 --> 02:37:48,150
mainly these people read my books what I

3836
02:37:53,150 --> 02:37:50,190
do is to use the Freedom of Information

3837
02:37:54,680 --> 02:37:53,160
Act you know I'm not some like Gary

3838
02:37:57,261 --> 02:37:54,690
McGarry McKinnon a classic example

3839
02:37:58,430 --> 02:37:57,271
hacking into computers a ridiculous

3840
02:38:00,680 --> 02:37:58,440
thing to do of course you're gonna get

3841
02:38:03,051 --> 02:38:00,690
punished and potentially even jailed is

3842
02:38:06,020 --> 02:38:03,061
he almost was Edward Snowden you know

3843
02:38:08,390 --> 02:38:06,030
he's had to flee the country and you

3844
02:38:10,190 --> 02:38:08,400
know in Russia or whatever but for me

3845
02:38:12,261 --> 02:38:10,200
what I do I use the Freedom of

3846
02:38:14,081 --> 02:38:12,271
Information Act Nick Redfern where can

3847
02:38:17,480 --> 02:38:14,091
we find more of your stuff Nick Redfern

3848
02:38:19,461 --> 02:38:17,490
14 blog spot.com will just type me into

3849
02:38:21,350 --> 02:38:19,471
Facebook there's a few new red phones

3850
02:38:23,360 --> 02:38:21,360
but it won't take a minute to find mr.

3851
02:38:25,761 --> 02:38:23,370
right when you see the right person you

3852
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:25,771
will know you will feel it in your gut

3853
02:38:30,410 --> 02:38:28,170
right Chris O'Brien has our strange

3854
02:38:32,511 --> 02:38:30,420
planet calm that's our strange planet

3855
02:38:34,881 --> 02:38:32,521
calm because it is a strange planet and

3856
02:38:37,220 --> 02:38:34,891
the book stalking the herd do

3857
02:38:39,470 --> 02:38:37,230
momentarily you can find us on Twitter

3858
02:38:41,390 --> 02:38:39,480
where we are known as the para cast with

3859
02:38:44,930 --> 02:38:41,400
the power cast on Twitter check out our

3860
02:38:47,360 --> 02:38:44,940
for my forum dr. para cast comm Nick

3861
02:38:52,800 --> 02:38:47,370
Redfern thank you for joining us on the

3862
02:38:59,341 --> 02:38:55,820
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3863
02:39:02,251 --> 02:38:59,351
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3864
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:02,261
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3865
02:39:09,150 --> 02:39:05,250
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